Posie Parker. For women and children. I adore her.

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That's all.

She did. She said she hadn't done any research, as that's not really her style. And she disagrees with his views, unequivocally.

I dislike the way she makes snide remarks about trans women's appearance

I don't think they are snide remarks at all. They are stating the blatantly obvious, the thing people aren't allowed to publicly say, through fear of losing their job or whatever. Which is that middle aged men with receding hair lines dressed in mini skirts and high heels are not fooling anyone. No one can actually look at them and think they're a woman. And it's not being kind to their feelings to pander to the delusion and tell them that they do look like women. It's like the Emperors New Clothes.

I didn’t say she’s a feminist datun, I said she’s not

And I think some of you have misunderstood, understandably.

I’m not saying you are trying to silence me by disagreeing with me, I’m saying I’m not trying to silence Posie by disagreeing with her.

I don’t think she should call herself a woman’s rights activist and I don’t think she should have spoken to a white supremacist Amongst other things. Doesn’t mean I want her to shut up.

Does she call herself a woman's rights activist? Other people certainly do, but she often calls herself a housewife. And has pointed out that its the fact that she is a housewife that lets her say these things, because if she needed to toe the line with her employer like most of us do, she couldn't say the things she does.

And I think some of you have misunderstood, understandably.

It's our lady brains. Who accused you of trying to silence Posie?

It's our lady brains. Who accused you of trying to silence Posie?

What is with this constant try-hard rhetoric for a fight?

If a woman who set up activism campaigns for the rights of women to call themselves women and only for women to call themselves women, isn't a womens rights activist, I am not sure what a women's rights activist could possibly be.

What is with this constant try-hard rhetoric for a fight?

Who accused you of trying to silence Posie?

What is with this constant try-hard rhetoric for a fight?

What is it with this constant nit-picking of any woman who dares to speak up for women's rights without showing sufficient compliance or political purity?

I admire her, for her energy and commitment to the cause.

Who knew daring to have a negative opinion on someone who cosies up to white supremacists amongst other things would be so controversial

I won’t engage further, it’s like a ‘conform or leave’ attitude on here at the moment, I’ll take my opinions somewhere where people can engage respectfully about different opinions rather than being thrown to the dogs for daring to not follow the hive.

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Who knew daring to have a negative opinion on someone who cosies up to white supremacists amongst other things would be so controversial smile

'Cosies up'. 🤣

Honestly, you couldn't drop your mask quicker if you tried.

I won’t engage further,

Shock.

Ok thanks for your contribution. I guess we'll never know who accused you of trying to silence Posie then.

' I think person A does x, y & z'
' OK, can you explain what person A has done to make you think that?'
' You can't have a reasoned debate here, it's a hive mind where you have to conform. I'm off'

I won’t engage further, it’s like a ‘conform or leave’ attitude on here at the moment, I’ll take my opinions somewhere where people can engage respectfully about different opinions rather than being thrown to the dogs for daring to not follow the hive.

When you say engage respectfully, you mean not ask you to back up your assertions?

Well, if that's how do you it, you go do it.

I think we have established that nobody told you that you were silencing Posie after all then.

I’ll take my opinions somewhere where people can engage respectfully about different opinions rather than being thrown to the dogs for daring to not follow the hive.

Dramatic or what!

Disagreeing with you on Mumsnet is "throwing you to the dogs"?! Get a grip.

Thanks for dropping by

I didn’t say she’s a feminist datun, I said she’s not confused

Oh that's right, you were cross that she said she's not a feminist. Whilst simultaneously criticising her women's rights activism, on the basis that it's not feminist enough.

1. Who did not engage respectfully? No one that I saw.

1. “Thrown to the dogs”, seriously!?

Suspect it’s for screenshots.

I’ll take my opinions somewhere where people can engage respectfully about different opinions

Since what you appear to mean about 'engage respectfully' is 'agree with me', good luck with that.

You've been perfectly respectfully engaged with. You're seeing disagreeing with you and explaining why, and challenging what you say and expecting you to justify and reason it, as attack and disrespect.

It isn't. And the endless repeating on MN at present from visiting posters of 'you won't allow any other opinions' I suspect is partly shock at seeing the debate brought into the real world as opposed to a 'safe space' set up, and partly trying to say it often enough in the hope that some of the reputation sticks. It won't. Because anyone with a brain will read this thread, see rational debate and discussion, and wonder what on earth you're complaining about.

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She's pretty good in my opinion, and has done a lot to help the cause with her Adult Human Female t-shirts. I dislike the way she makes snide remarks about trans women's appearance, it makes her look petty, but given the much more unpleasant remarks a lot of TRAs have made about her I suppose she's just retaliating.

Internal Misogyny - are you related to Prof. Alice Roberts?

If a Black man was invited to meet a white man with long braided hair, smoking Ganja, and the white man said he should be affirmed as a black man by the name of Errol Brown.

People would be saying how kind the black man was that he did not punch the white man.

Screenshots for what?

I gave my opinion, respectfully.

It then followed with pages of people saying people try to ‘silence’ posie because she’s not ‘womaning right’ and picking apart everything.

Not to mention changing what I said. E.g datun above.

Very strange.

I’ve explained why I don’t agree with posie, I’ll do a list below for clarity:

1. She engaged with a white supremacist, she states she ‘didn’t know’ yet a 10 second search would’ve told you. She was either very naive not too have looked up who she was working with, or didn’t care.
2. The issues in the states, where she also worked with very questionable organisations and people, who are racist, sexist, anti-abortionist, anti-contraception and more.
3. She posts (or used too, I haven’t watched her in ages) videos taking the piss out of the appearance of trans people. I don’t think this is helpful to the cause and attacking someone’s appearance is not ok, focusing on whether someone looks ‘womanly enough’ is incredibly anti-woman. As it is something women themselves have faced and tried to eliminate for generations.
4. I have heard her say things about women staying home with children and how this is ‘best’ and so on, I don’t find this helpful to women.
5. She placed tommy Robinson on a pedestal for protecting young girls affected by grooming gangs ignoring the work other women had done for them,
6. She calls herself a woman’s rights activist, yet has admitted that her focus is trans only. I think this is gender critical activism and not women’s activism. If you don’t care if you work with someone who e.g wants to segregate by race, you can not say you are fighting for all women rights

Alone, maybe I wouldn’t care. However for me, when it’s all put together, I can’t. It’s not an exhaustive list either as I didn’t want to go into the whole sterilisation, fatal allergic reaction comments that she may have just made on twitter carelessly and not thought about it.

Posie can say/do/be whoever she wants. For me personally I don’t respect her, you won’t change my mind but I’m not trying to change yours.

Posie doesn’t care who she works with or what she does, she will work with anyone as long as she gets her message out. Some people find that a great commendable thing, to me I think you have to look at the bigger picture and what damage you can cause by trying to do the right thing.

I am allowed to have an opinion, sorry if it offends anyone.

She calls herself a woman’s rights activist, yet has admitted that her focus is trans only.

There's a lot I could pick apart on your post -but this - posie is a woman's rights activist by any definition of the word activist - because she founded "Standing For Women" - just because you don't like what she does, doesn't negate that.

Posie has posted pro-women stuff on these boards for years - but like a lot of us, has recognised that the TRAs and their campaigns for a change in legislation are the single biggest threat to women's rights NOW - in that they will completely eliminate women's rights and the word "woman." That's pretty big.

I'm confused. Have we flounced or not flounced?

LittleLamp is typing from amongst the dogs we threw her to Lang