Posie Parker. For women and children. I adore her.

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That's all.

And let's never forget Harrop's face at being completely out-argued by posie parker

My favourite tweet.....

Anyone who thinks feminist academic types alone can win this for women (and by win, I mean retain women's sex-based rights) just isn't paying attention. TRA tendrils are everywhere - in all our institutions. IMO we need to be realistic - we need a multi-faceted approach. The Kathleen Stocks, the Jean Hatchets, the Janice Turners, etc and the Glinners, Harrys, Jonathan Bests etc and posie parker, Julia Long, Venice Allen, et al - we need them all.

I couldn't agree more. Because like calls to like.

I remember when Meghan Murphy was talking about C-16. (A woman I admire).

She was using words like patriarchy, female oppression, gender as an oppressive social construct etc.

The thread on here was a little mixed. Because people who were not really aware of feminism had an eye roll over words like patriarchy and oppression, despite agreeing with her message. I remember Lass being quite critical. And I saw why. And didn't necessarily disagree.

But the same people could get on board with concepts like, say, male chauvinism and sexism. Just because it doesn't sound so 'feminist'.

The trans issue has opened the door to a Feminism for a lot of people. And often it starts with the sheer amount of misogyny that you are suddenly exposed to.

It takes a while to relate that to things like patriarchy, oppression and gender as a weapon.

But one thing is for sure, more and more women are seeing it. And it's women like Posie who are getting them to.

Late to this party, but agree so much that Posie is fab and admirable, but unsurprisingly human. She once did a Thing I Didn't Like. That I know about.

I totally admire the way she gets straight to the point even when confronted with horridities in front of rolling cameras, where I'd be floundering and spluttering, failing to make any kind of sense. I'm jealous of the way she just says the kind of things that might occur to me days after a discussion, but more succinctly than I could even in my belated fantasies.

I'd like to take lessons from her about how to stay on point.
It's obvious to me that she really fucking cares about looking out for kids- what more could you ask from any human?
It's so depressing that someone like that is banned from Mumsnet of all places, and that certain people still aren't satisfied with that. (And we can't even give them fish.)
And the "woman" hoodie I got from Posie for a very reasonable price is such good quality. Go Posie!

Anyone who thinks feminist academic types alone can win this for women (and by win, I mean retain women's sex-based rights) just isn't paying attention. TRA tendrils are everywhere - in all our institutions. IMO we need to be realistic - we need a multi-faceted approach. The Kathleen Stocks, the Jean Hatchets, the Janice Turners, etc and the Glinners, Harrys, Jonathan Bests etc and posie parker, Julia Long, Venice Allen, et al - we need them all.

I also think that this is the absolute core of where we are at with this. Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely.

Could do Datun although I already appear to have wasted an awful lot of oxygen on someone I despise.

Not quite sure how that happened.

Might go and meditate now. Or shave my armpits.

Well something you've posted that I mostly agree with, although I dont think there's any need to go to such extremes as shaving your pits, bearing mind your views an' all

Despise wow.

I think you probably opted out of the 'constructive discussion' subject at your school which has deterred me from bothering to post any comment,.
As character assassination has no place and is a tactic for a different purpose.

You do seem overly a worried and angered by PP which is just odd considering her enduring striving for women and children. Isn't that at the heart of many feminists, and just regular women's hearts.

What a dichotomy for you.

Anyone who thinks feminist academic types alone can win this for women (and by win, I mean retain women's sex-based rights) just isn't paying attention. TRA tendrils are everywhere - in all our institutions. IMO we need to be realistic - we need a multi-faceted approach. The Kathleen Stocks, the Jean Hatchets, the Janice Turners, etc and the Glinners, Harrys, Jonathan Bests etc and posie parker, Julia Long, Venice Allen, et al - we need them all.

This, exactly.

But what happens when the feminist academics state unequivocally that the Posie Parkers are not helping at all and pushing the conversation backwards?

It causes previously untied women to become divided and I don't see how divisiveness is a positive thing.

I think the obsessive focus on Posie may be down to the fact that she can speak to the average non academic, not already well versed in this debate person on the street more effectively than the more academic, jargon-y people can. And the people pushing genderism don't want the general public to understand what's happening, because once they understand they object rather vehemently. Look at the thread someone just posted about the big law firm that drew up plans to get gender related laws passed - the plan was to go under the radar and not have the public find out the law had changed until it was too late to stop it. Posie is a threat to that, because she's articulate and telegenic while at the same time speaking very clearly in language everyone can understand, so they need to shut her up.

I don't see how divisiveness is a positive thing

Odd to spent the better part of a week trying to create it, then.

Most women cleaning their houses, looking after their kids and working in the office or the supermarket will never cross paths with a feminist academic. They inhabit different worlds. They don't care about academic political purity - they don't want their mothers with alzheimers to find themselves in a hospital bed next to a man. They don't want their sister fleeing domestic violence to be in a refuge with a man. They don't want their primary age school children to be told that sex is assigned at birth.

But what happens when the feminist academics state unequivocally that the Posie Parkers are not helping at all and pushing the conversation backwards?
Feminists academics don't know everything and are not in charge, any more than Posie Parker is. I'm reasonably well versed in this but I saw a tv interview with one academic whom I much admire and I couldn't understand half of what she said.

Might go and meditate now. Or shave my armpits.

Dear goddess, the rank, unreconstructed misogyny just seethes out, doesn't it?

When all else fails try an appeal to authority!

But what happens when the feminist academics state unequivocally that the Posie Parkers are not helping at all and pushing the conversation backwards?

Not much, I would imagine.

I couldn't be happier that being GC and fighting the TRA agender and the proposed elimination of women & girls as a sex class is not solely a feminist issue.

We need all hands on deck I reckon & PP is doing a great job. Posie is doing a fantastic job, getting media attention and shining a spotlight on all the issues the TRA's want everyone to STFU about & that is fantastic.

Even if you don't like her, even is she isn;t "feminist enough" for you, surely you can accept the willingness for a women to BE publically unlikable & give no fucks about it, is a feminist act?

So there are people in the world, and on this thread who don't like her. Hooray! Well done you!! Instead of putting so much energy into trying to tear someone down, why don't you figure out a "better way" of being publically GC, and put your energy into doing that? Maybe one day someone will start a MN debate as to how wonderful/horrific MN'ers think you & your activism are, and you will know you will have made a meaningful impact.

they don't want their mothers with alzheimers to find themselves in a hospital bed next to a man. They don't want their sister fleeing domestic violence to be in a refuge with a man. They don't want their primary age school children to be told that sex is assigned at birth.

Posies daughter is, I think, 13?

She often says what am I supposed to say to my 13 year old daughter when she doesn't want get changed in the same changing room as a middle-aged man with a fetish and she is called bigoted for it?

She nails it.

But what happens when the feminist academics state unequivocally that the Posie Parkers are not helping at all and pushing the conversation backwards?

They could have a little think about classism, perhaps?

None of the women in this movement are perfect. Shock horror. Nobody's perfect. This includes Kathleen, Jean, Lisa, Ruth, Louise, Jane, every other name I'm too lazy to type out - and, would you believe it, Posie.

Even me. I'm sure this must come as a shock to you. I ruin all the feministing with Weetabix-related sinning. That's even worse than dyeing your hair blonde round these 'ere parts.

You're so bad at this. So, so bad.

They don't care about academic political purity - they don't want their mothers with alzheimers to find themselves in a hospital bed next to a man. They don't want their sister fleeing domestic violence to be in a refuge with a man. They don't want their primary age school children to be told that sex is assigned at birth

Well said Clitherow. As many others have said, what’s sending certain posters apoplectic about PP is her clarity about objective reality and her ability to appeal to a diverse audience...,

I love this video - she says everything I believe. And I applaud her for being brave enough to speak out and say what absolutely no one else dares to for fear of an avalanche of hate against them. Thank goodness there are people speaking out against this craziness.

Just popping in, as the average

This is a fascinating thread. So if you don't look the right way, speak the right way, act the right way, vote the right way, parent the right way, ally the right way, align the right way, woman the right way, you're not welcome on some wholesome pure team fighting the right fight for women?

Thankfully most of the posters here and out in the world don't recognise or demand the same purity test when it comes to fighting to retain the reality of the meaning of 'woman' and protect children's health, and the privacy, safety and dignity of all.

It causes previously untied women to become divided and I don't see how divisiveness is a positive thing.

But what happens when the feminist academics...

Feminist academics don’t control the entire discourse. Crikey.
What next? Will you be wanting social media shit down entirely in case someone without a PhD has an opinion?
Seems a touch authoritarian.

Just sayin’

social media shit down

That's almost as good a typo as "It causes previously untied women"!

I long for worthy supposition!

(Sorry, couldn't resist).

But what happens when the feminist academics state unequivocally that the Posie Parkers are not helping at all and pushing the conversation backwards?

Honestly.

Might as well say what happens when Posie Parker says that they have made her renounce feminism?

Not much.