UK GENERAL ELECTION 2019

[Zenith123]

I really have to impress on everyone just how important it is to get out and vote Labour. The Tories have done nothing for anyone other than their rich buddies, and our present PM is a sexist bigot. Please vote Labour to save the NHS. Please.

If Labour don't bother to state that biological sex is real and sex-based spaces should be protected (including hospital wards), I can only assume that they don't actually want to save the NHS.

Did anyone ask who you would like us to vote for, Zenith? If "I'm not even going to allude to what their policies about women's rights might be while here in the feminist forum because who even cares about that? Do as you're told, ladies" is the best Labour can do then they can sod off.

It's as if Labour voters never voted Leave. We are all supposed to forget about Brexit.

I got another half-arsed reply from my LD candidate on Self ID. Whilst Boris and Brexit will affect us all, and honestly it will impact those worse off than me, I simply will not support the LDs for Brexit/Peoples vote and allow Self ID to become law by sliding it under the door whilst everyone be has their backs turned.

I do not have my back turned.

I will vote Tory. I cannot spoil my ballot, and I cannot vote for Labour because I personally believe that this lot are a bunch of dangerous Marxists, with a very dodgy record on women’s rights. I cannot vote for the Lib Dems because they have put the erasure of women front and centre in their manifesto. Once you cannot define a woman, you cannot even see sexism, let alone fight it. It is absolutely a threshold issue.

I don’t love Boris. But nobody in the Tory party is calling women TERFs. fairplayforwomen.com/pcc/

Labour have done fuck all to earn my vote. My local MP was insulting and dismissive of my concerns re: self-ID.

I don’t owe the Labour Party shit. They’re the bell ends that introduced the GRA in the first fucking place.

And even IF they did a complete U-turn on trans self-ID, there’s still the anti-Semitism.

OP are you listening?

Labour (and LD) brought this on themselves

Get to fuck with your DARVO tactics and put your own house in order before coming to shit on us.

Let me impress up you, Zenith, just how thoroughly Labour has alienated their core voters. I am from a working class family not a single member of whom as far as I'm aware has ever voted Tory. I had family in the miners union during the strikes under Thatcher, and they weren't the only union people in the family. I grew up referring to the SNP as the Tartan Tories. Tribal loyalty? I have it. But as long as Labour refuse to protect women's rights, and as long as Corbyn continues to be a slippery bastard who won't commit to much of anything, they will not be getting a single bit of support from me. Gender theory is a top down, elitist, quasi-religious philosophy and no party that's meant to be the voice of the working class should be promoting it. Momentum has about as much genuine connection to the needs of the working class or indeed to the party's traditional core values as it does to the concept of collaborative decision making (ie. fuck all). The way any institution treats Jews is a harbinger of how it's going to treat other vulnerable groups, and damn do the signs there not look good for any of us.

So no, commanding us to vote for Labour won't work. We didn't abandon the party, it abandoned us. If it wants us back then it's going to have to sort itself out.

I don’t owe the Labour Party shit. They’re the bell ends that introduced the GRA in the first fucking place.

Let's not overlook that fact and that Patricia (not known for due diligence) Hewitt was Minister for Women at the time.

Also Stella Creasy's comments about the little girl who was being forced to share space with a wanking male who identified as a girl. Why would anyone vote for a party that would sanction that?

Let's not overlook that fact and that Patricia (not known for due diligence) Hewitt was Minister for Women at the time.

TimeLady, was she at Liberty when they were supporting PIE?

Weren't Labour complicit in austerity?

Under Ed Miliband, yes. And let's not forget Harman whipping abstension on welfare reform. Or Yvette Cooper introducing the WCA.

Labour would save the NHS (maybe) and then support the plans of some within it to enforce the self ID rights of the staff on patients during their most vulnerable moments. How wonderful!

I feel like the concept of interconnected issues is lost on many of those who show up to scold us.

I WILL NOT BE VOTING LABOUR.

From the Guardian Tories ignoring LGBT voters article.

Will the LGBT vote decide the 2019 election?

How delusional and/or self centered is this person? The country is on the verge of a constitutional crisis over Brexit and they're asking this?

Which presumably comes down to Tories ignoring T voters? Because we all know the Guardian have no problem ignoring the LGB.

If they think that in the privacy of the ballot box the L and the G are guaranteed to vote in solidarity with the T then they don't understand human nature very well.

Re Patricia Hewitt. She must have been seen as a godsend by Whittle & co at the time with her libertarian past

before joining the National Council for Civil Liberties (now Liberty), initially as a women's rights officer in 1973, and for nine years from 1974 as the general secretary.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricia_Hewitt

She was eventually chucked out of the Labour party in 2010 for lobbying for cash

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1260711/Shamed-cash-lobbying-MP-Patricia-Hewitt-set-join-Eurotunnel.html

If women are supposed to wait until after all the important stuff is done to get our rights wouldn’t good Labour policy have been not to make changes to the GRA until they had time to deal with it properly? They could have said ‘women’s rights aren’t a big deal so we will just postpone the changes’.
What they have actually said is that it is so important to destroy women’s rights that they will push their policy through despite severe opposition from voters and despite it being a vote losing issue especially among women. The Labour Party really really care about destroying women’s rights because otherwise they wouldn’t be clinging so desperately to this policy they would have just kicked it into the long grass. No I won’t be voting for them on this occasion.

Sad to see so many willing to cut off their nose to spite their face.

What on earth do you mean, Anyname?

I'm no longer resident in the UK and haven't been following the election very closely.

I just took a look at the polls- which could of course be wrong.

From what I can see there appears to be a vote split between Labour and the Lib Dems which will of course benefit the tories.

It's sad to see that after all this government has done that they look likely to retain power and get a majority into the bargain.