UK GENERAL ELECTION 2019

[Zenith123]

I really have to impress on everyone just how important it is to get out and vote Labour. The Tories have done nothing for anyone other than their rich buddies, and our present PM is a sexist bigot. Please vote Labour to save the NHS. Please.

I’m still getting my head around the self-ID thing. It just doesn’t make any fucking sense. My priority first and foremost is to make sure women don’t suffer, hence my fury at voting Tory.

I quite understand. Those of us who have been at this for a long time have taken the - painful - decision to concentrate our attempts to benefit women and children away from party politics to grassroots and local initiatives and to campaigning on the dangers of genderism. Almost every woman you're speaking to on this thread is doing something. We may have walked away from Labour but we haven't walked away from women.

On this thread, we're mostly talking about women and austerity. We haven't even touched on the destruction of child safeguarding by genderism. That's my biggest concern, even greater perhaps than what's being done to women. Once you've got your breath a bit, I'd suggest you start investigating threads on here about that. I'm sorry to overload you!

Heard back from local Conservative candidate (safe seat) this morning after I wrote setting out my concerns. I gave current examples of problems with self ID creeping in to practice, provided links and asked specific questions about how self ID is impacting on women’s sex based rights with a local example.

Stock, patronising response that describes the Equality Act back to me (already outlined in my letter). Stated there is already exemptions in place (again ignoring my letter detailing where exemptions are being overridden) rigorous and effective risk assessment where appropriate (ignorance again) and the classic ‘There is already a way of prosecuting sexual offences against anyone who commits a crime’.

No reference whatsoever to my clear examples of where the law is already not being effective under current system, let alone with Self ID as policy.

Platitudes only.

Concludes that we must live and let live, people can be who they want to be BUT if I vote conservative then perhaps we could meet to talk about my concerns.

Thanks for condescending to offer to listen to women if you are voted in. That would be a FOTTFSOF from me.

NO

That's disappointing. My local conservative candidate is GC. The current MP is SNP and was vaguely sympathetic but terrified of the debate and said he wouldnt say anything without clearing it with head office. I do think the Tories as a party are less sympathetic of TWAW and more likely to call it out as bollocks

The best I can hope for is that it has given her food for thought and made it clear that not everyone is on board with the ideology.

I also linked to the conservative women’s declaration of sex based rights, so it will demonstrate there is dissent within the ranks.

Disclaimer. NOT trying to influence anyone's vote. Like I said, it's 4D chess.

I've had only one canvasser on the doorstep. It was the local Conservative county councillor and he is the father of two young daughters.

I asked him if Self ID and the definition of "woman" had ever come up while he was canvassing. He said yes, and proceeded to demonstrate a very well-informed grasp of the issues. He talked about single sex spaces - specifically referring to women's refuges, women's prisons, women's changing rooms and toilets - without promoting. He referred to women's sports. This man is GC.

I asked him to feed my views back and he said he would be happy to. He also alluded to what BuzzShitBobbly said upthread. CCHQ has realised the implications, is horrified by them and has deliberately left Self ID out of the manifesto for that reason, to give everyone time to think again.

Believe it. Don't believe it. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Make your own minds up.

I know how I am voting and why.

Oh, and the forest of LibDem campaign literature has always come to this house addressed to my husband, even though my name appears first on the electoral roll.

Helen Belcher knows how I feel. I emailed the LibDems to try to drop the Spousal Veto bill from going ahead. Never got a reply.

Spoiler alert. My husband is now GC. All that drip-dripping I've been pouring in his ear has paid off. The other day, I overheard him peak-transing the neighbours.

Without prompting.

Not "without promoting".

Autocorrect.

He also alluded to what BuzzShitBobbly said upthread. CCHQ has realised the implications, is horrified by them and has deliberately left Self ID out of the manifesto for that reason, to give everyone time to think again.

Interesting.

So now we know (or have a good working assumption) that yes that idiot woman in the the Tories started it, and it rolled along on a deliberately diversionary parade of happy clappy, love is love, be nice bullshit, until women stood up and said "no, no, NO!" FF to now and they have realised they got it wrong. Very very wrong. It now seems to have been put in the same place as the plans in Hitchhiker's Guide.

Whereas Labour and the LibDems have publicly and categorically doubled down on their men-first policies and will proactively and deliberately make it law that women will no longer exist as a definable category and we can all get to fuck/be assaulted/arrested/get criminal records for daring to question this.

God every time I see another post on this thread I wonder how the fuck I have been so blind. Wilfully! Like not read about this because I assumed it would be fine and safeguarding would be in place.

I wonder how the fuck I have been so blind.

Because there has been a conspiracy of disinformation and a media blackout, which is only just starting to crumble.

You're not to blame.

Of course I will vote; my great aunt was a Suffragette! I've never missed a vote since I was 18.

But I've despaired over who to vote for this time. I did those quiz things which told me what I already knew - that I was a Green / Labour sort (but their whole women's rights thing is a mess), I've noted Lib Dems telling other GC women they're probably not the party for me (and their LGBT students plonkerish messaging), the horror statististics on poverty etc etc mean Conservatives are impossible for me, even though they are the least wokeish party ...

Maria Miller has a lot to answer for.

Penny Mordaunt has a lot to answer for.

I'm so furious about it that I can hardly articulate it. When I first started lurking on the FWR threads just over a year ago, LangCleg's posts frightened me (sorry but they did) because of their cold clear logical "take no prisoners stance". However, over that time, I also listened to Barracker, Datun, Rowantrees, DuMondeB, CharleyParley and others, and I came to understand why that cold clear logic was required to cut through the crap and expose the truth.

Once you see it, you cannot unsee it.

We all have to do what we have to do, in our own ways.

I've decided to join the Conservative Party (rain hellfire and brimstone at me all you like) so I can fight this from the inside and help to stiffen their collective spine.

Sorry I got your username wrong, BuzzShitbagBobbly. I was posting it from memory.

LangCleg's posts frightened me (sorry but they did) because of their cold clear logical "take no prisoners stance".

I don't know whether to cringe or to LOL!

Am gobshite. Can't help me'sen.

I'm only now just brave enough to tell you!

If Helen Belcher won't face me on the doorstep, won't even dare to write to me, reckon I've got courage enough now.

I'm only now just brave enough to tell you!

I shall eat you for breakfast tomorrow.

(Not really!)

Hahaha, if you think you're hard enough.

The BBC and the Guardian have a lot to answer for. Many lefties primarily trust those sources. They actively suppressed discussion of the issues. Guardian still does. Read up on what happened to Jenni Murray. That was key to my peak. It will help you to see why you didn't know. Also why it is good to vary your sources of news to include those you think you musn't like. Get out of your bubble.

If someone tells you to never read X, go out and read X, then be angry at the someone who thought you were so incapable of critical thought that you must be stopped from hearing other people's opinions. I can watch Fox news or read the Daily Mail without accepting it as gospel. In fact, it helps me hone my own thinking.

Oh, and the forest of LibDem campaign literature has always come to this house addressed to my husband, even though my name appears first on the electoral roll.

As if their policy on the "spousal veto" didn't already make it clear enough that they consider women to be a sort of wholly owned subsidiary of our spouses (and if not we're being very naughty).

I shall eat you for breakfast tomorrow.

(Not really!)

Possible better than the alternative in your case, Lang. I'm still on a stollen for breakfast kick and nothing can stop me (until shops stop carrying it post holidays).

If someone tells you to never read X, go out and read X, then be angry at the someone who thought you were so incapable of critical thought that you must be stopped from hearing other people's opinions

Anyone telling you that you just mustn't read that! Is either trying to manipulate you or weak minded themselves. In either case, ignore and read it anyway.

they consider women to be a sort of wholly owned subsidiary of our spouses

Brilliant.

Never has stollen for breakfast been more needed.

@SingingLily

I am going to join the tory party too - you have inspired me. I want a voice on this too. And I also want a voice on austerity, the NHS and other aspects of Tory policy that I don't wholeheartedly agree with. I am investigating whether I can offer legal advice and assistance to those denied PIP in my constituency. I realise that for some people this is still a cop out and an immoral vote, but I don't think there is a good choice here and that the UK will be a better place if the Tory party is promoting better, more considered policies, and if self ID is shelved permanently.

Absolutely no way