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Transgender manager sues after botched op costs him his leg

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Yeahnahyeah · 03/10/2019 21:06

I could weep.

city-press.news24.com/News/transgender-manager-sues-after-botched-op-costs-him-his-leg-20191001

4th Wave Now are also following botched surgeries by a different doctor, this one in the U.S.

4thwavenow.com/2019/08/26/catching-up-with-renowned-phalloplasty-surgeon-dr-curtis-crane/

It appears botched phalloplasties are the norm, not the exception. How could they not be? It is such a brutal proceedure.

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Yeahnahyeah · 03/10/2019 21:09

So many trans men who talk about their complications emphasise the lack of warnings and are told complications are rare.
Same with vaginoplasty.

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 03/10/2019 21:12

Dear fucking god. I knew that fistulas and other specifically urinary and the surrounding area related complications were very common, but losing a leg is a whole new level of medical incompetence.

Every single person incapacitated by these procedures should sue, especially if they weren't warned about the specific post surgery problems that they experienced.

AncientLights · 03/10/2019 21:12

I read the complication rate of phalloplasty is around 80% but can't recall where I read that.

AncientLights · 03/10/2019 21:17

How can he have pain in his left calf if his left leg was amputated above the knee? Unless it was phantom limb pain. Whatever, it's a totally horrendous story.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 03/10/2019 21:19

It breaks my heart that kids are being told that gender reassignment is easy and causes no harm. Basically they are being sold a fairy tale promise that no surgeon can deliver. Sad

SarahTancredi · 03/10/2019 21:23

Why are drs even doing this surgery.

What benefit is it to anyone ..its not a oenis . It offers no sexual pleasure beyond having your arm stoked. Which is annoying not sexually pleasurable. It does nothing. It achieves nothing.

The risks clearly far outweigh any benefit what so ever.

Why is it even an option.

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TerfTalk · 03/10/2019 21:38

I too can't believe that any doctors are still doing this given its tiny success rate. Sad

Pota2 · 03/10/2019 21:42

Fucking hell. Also, this op apparently costs 70,000 if done privately. How can it be funded on the NHS?

SarahTancredi · 03/10/2019 21:50

I too can't believe that any doctors are still doing this given its tiny success rate

Does anyone know what's actually deemed as a success?

What's the best that anyone can actually hope for with this?

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 03/10/2019 21:57

Surgery this brutal and risky makes sense when it's saving a life, like with heart surgery. Just to look like you kind of have a penis (but not really) that isn't functional and that comes with a whole host of other problems? Why is that deemed to be an acceptable risk/reward scenario?

terfsandwich · 03/10/2019 21:58

It costs a quarter of a million US dollars according to a victim's comment on the 4th wave link.

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Yeahnahyeah · 03/10/2019 21:58

I'll bet these surgeons are of the same type who happily give freak 42KKKKK breast implants to women.

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Michelleoftheresistance · 03/10/2019 22:15

That poor, poor person. Awful.

DuMondeB · 04/10/2019 08:14

Holy fuck. This is awful.

CampingItUp · 04/10/2019 08:25

Well, it makes sense that Trans people would choose to keep the body parts they were born with undertake the mental and linguistic gymnastics to incorporate them into their gender than undergo risky, mutilating, expensive surgery.

AnyOldPrion · 04/10/2019 08:40

”Well, it makes sense that Trans people would choose to keep the body parts they were born with undertake the mental and linguistic gymnastics to incorporate them into their gender than undergo risky, mutilating, expensive surgery.”

Or psychiatrists could try to work on a treatment that would help them accept the reality that sex is immutable, but that there are ways to live with the body they have.

littlbrowndog · 04/10/2019 08:49

I did read from a person who had surgery for dysphoria who said that it didn’t really stop it

They just focused on another part of their body that had to be fixed so it just went on and on with no relief

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 04/10/2019 08:50

This is why I am of the view that these (and many other cosmetic surgeries) should be banned even for adults.

All surgery is a risk. It should never be undertaken unless medically necessary. I will keep banging on about this because I know it from bitter experience. I almost lost my leg/life to surgical infection following a routine biopsy. Even the simplest surgery is a risk.

Trans people should be given the mental health care they need to come to terms with the reality of their sexed bodies. They should never be surgical subjects. Never.

It makes me so angry to know this unnecessary butchery is going on and moronic so called 'progressives' are cheering. They are ignorant, dangerous fools.

OrchidInTheSun · 04/10/2019 08:54

The only way these mutilations will stop is if the surgeons that perform them keep getting sued.

It's the only way any of this madness is going to stop - financial penalties and the fear of litigation.

BeardedVulture · 04/10/2019 09:14

These kinds of surgeries make me think of the stuff that Josef Menegele and Unit 731 used to do to people. It's completely unethical, horrific, experimental, and ruinous for the patient.

The TRAs should be up in arms at this. Innocent people are being mutilated in unsafe surgeries by glorified butchers.

SarahTancredi · 04/10/2019 09:32

The only way these mutilations will stop is if the surgeons that perform them keep getting sued

Would they be able to be sued if the patients were fully aware of the outcomes?

I think we need to know what they are being told.

However that doesnt change the fact that I guess if the patients are told that it will most likely fail, that anyone who opts for a likely unsuccessful surgery with a list of complications longer than their arm and maybe peeing standing but like a sprinkler being the only positive possibility, that wild surely indicate mental issues because no healthy person would do that to themselves....

PackingSoapAndWater · 04/10/2019 10:06

What sets my alarm bells ringing is the idea that Crane was fascinated by fluid dynamics in mechanical engineering. How far may this influence his surgical perspective?

Is he treating a biological organism, a human being, as though it may conform to the same principles as an engineered structure?

If so, this is verging on Frankensteinian practice.

Coffeeandchocolate9 · 04/10/2019 10:40

Do surgeons in the UK perform these procedures too? Both of those in the links were in the US I think..?

"Necrotic urethra" Envy (obviously sick not envy!!) ... it's not really that big a surprise that some of the most delicate tissue in the human body, that deals with waste product, might not fare so well in unnecessary surgery Sad

Coffeeandchocolate9 · 04/10/2019 10:43

Trans people should be given the mental health care they need to come to terms with the reality of their sexed bodies

Why aren't more people saying this??? Gender dysphoria and AGP are mental health conditions. You don't treat a mental health condition with surgery ffs.

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 04/10/2019 10:45

Do surgeons in the UK perform these procedures too?

Yes, though not with quite such, um, abandon as their US counterparts. Yet. Mermaids, amongst others, are pushing for a more US style approacvh.

Surgery in the US is cowboy central, virtually unregulated, governed by so called 'informed consent' which is basically waiving away your right to sue as far as I can make out.

4thWaveNow are excellent on this topic. Their investigations reveal eye-boggling levels of malpractice and a complete disregard for patient well being. But hey, the surgeons get to play god so that's OK.