Transgender manager sues after botched op costs him his leg

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I could weep.

city-press.news24.com/News/transgender-manager-sues-after-botched-op-costs-him-his-leg-20191001

4th Wave Now are also following botched surgeries by a different doctor, this one in the U.S.

4thwavenow.com/2019/08/26/catching-up-with-renowned-phalloplasty-surgeon-dr-curtis-crane/

It appears botched phalloplasties are the norm, not the exception. How could they not be? It is such a brutal proceedure.

I don't understand the psychiatrists' reasoning - the cry from the transactivists is that these people want to be the thing that their body is not - the opposite sex - so badly that they will kill themselves if they cannot be what they believe their inner self to be. So, that seems parallel to wanting to be thinner, despite the clear objective, measurable evidence that your weight is so low as to be harmful for your health.

I don't understand the psychiatrist's thinking on this stuff at all. You can't be born in the wrong body any more than you can be born in the wrong head, you can't add hormones and bolt on/remove body parts and change your DNA - and if you believe these things are true you fit the definition of someone who is deluded.

Perhaps the psychiatrists are also suffering from delusion.

Probably worth remembering that the psychiatric profession gave us not only lobotomies, but recovered memory syndrome and the ensuing 'satanic panic' which led to a number of entirely innocent people spending years in prison.

Infallible they are not.

Gender dysphoria is clearly a psychiatric condition imo just because ICD changes it from a mental disorder to a sexual one doesn’t mean that’s the case - they admitted they did it to reduce stigma.

I thought there was a move to try to remove stigma about mental health conditions. How is this helped by removing what is clearly a mental health condition from the category of mental disorders in order to reduce stigma about that particular disorder?

I can't think of an accurate comparison to trans surgery, as it seems unique in terms of being more deadly than cancer, while simultaneously being not a mental health issue, but a huge suicide risk. I can't think of any other medical situation where so many conflicting bits of information are all agreed as facts.

That sums up succinctly the point I was trying to make.

Psychiatrists don’t class gender dysphoria as a delusion though.

I suppose it depends on what variety of gender dysphoria you're talking about.

Man who honestly believes he's a woman, or a woman trapped in a man's body. This is a delusion. A man who truly believes he's Napoleon is clearly deluded. Why should a man who truly believes he's a woman not also be considered to be deluded?

Person who is unhappy with the social roles ascribed to them because of their sex. This is not a delusion and it's not a mental disorder. It's a problem with society and is best fixed by making society fit people, by allowing people to be who they are regardless of sex. It's absurd to try to make people fit society's constructed roles by changing their bodies to make them look like the people who normally fit in the roles they want to inhabit.

Man who is aroused by the thought of himself as a woman. Fetishistic crossdressing and autogynephilia are not delusions, they are paraphilias.

Internalised homophobia. Not a delusion, and not fixed by making someone 'straight' by altering their body.

I've probably missed some other varieties of gender dysphoria, but I can't see how the 'born in the wrong body' type can be considered as anything other than a delusion.

That's a good point, Old Crone - not all gender dysphorias are equal. Despite what Stonewall say...

I think it all hinges on the legitimacy of the concept of gender identity.

Psychiatrists aren’t infallible no, but don’t you think if they had an alternative evidence based cost effective treatment they’d be using it?

From bbc etc earlier in the year:

In the previous version - ICD-10 - this was considered a gender identity disorder, in the chapter entitled mental and behavioural disorders.

Dr Lale Say, a reproductive health expert at the World Health Organization, said: "It was taken out from mental health disorders because we had a better understanding that this was not actually a mental health condition, and leaving it there was causing stigma.
"So in order to reduce the stigma, while also ensuring access to necessary health interventions, this was placed in a different chapter."

Commenting on the revisions, Graeme Reid, lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender rights director at campaign group Human Rights Watch, said the changes would have a "liberating effect on transgender people worldwide".