Transgender manager sues after botched op costs him his leg

[Yeahnahyeah]

I could weep.

city-press.news24.com/News/transgender-manager-sues-after-botched-op-costs-him-his-leg-20191001

4th Wave Now are also following botched surgeries by a different doctor, this one in the U.S.

4thwavenow.com/2019/08/26/catching-up-with-renowned-phalloplasty-surgeon-dr-curtis-crane/

It appears botched phalloplasties are the norm, not the exception. How could they not be? It is such a brutal proceedure.

Ohh those silly, selfish women, with their frivolous and trivial cancer - how very dare they think that their life-saving surgery should be more important than a trans woman getting their implants? For shame, ladies.

I don’t know what’s worse - that there are people out there who believe that ‘top’ surgery for a trans woman should trump cancer surgery, or that there are people who are so proud of this vile opinion that they are willing to publicise it on the internet!

I don’t know what’s worse - that there are people out there who believe that ‘top’ surgery for a trans woman should trump cancer surgery, or that there are people who are so proud of this vile opinion that they are willing to publicise it on the internet!

Women dont even get san pro in prison or custody when they need it. Men get surgery in prison to transition. Yeah so fuckimg deprived

It's not top surgery - it's a double mastectomy. Maybe not as involved as for breast cancer, there won't be loss of the muscle mass, for instance, but, it is still a big operation that needs drains and can permanently affect your shoulder function.

Oh, and sometimes your nipple rots off.

What gets on my tits... is this screaming about rights. No it’s not a fucking right.

It’s a publicly funded health service with finite resources that has to service the whole country as effectively as possible. Shut up about muh rightz...and campaign for properly funded trans healthcare that is clinically led. So shit like this poor fucker who lost his LEG ffs doesn’t happen.

Muh rightz gets right on my fucking nerves. Stop sponging off everyone else and do your own fucking dirty work. Create your own infrastructure funded from your own campaigning not every other fuckers.

No one is born in the 'wrong body'.

'Gender reassignment' surgery is mutiliation.

Don’t you mean “gender confirmation surgery”...more fluffy bunny language to hide the truth that it’s going to leave some permanently altered and in need to medical support for the rest of their lives. If it goes wrong which seems to be a high percentage then they will be left with an unsatisfactory quality of life.

Fuck the analogy to breast cancer.
I had breast cancer. I was told I didn’t have breast cancer. The surgeon told me to smile when he gave me this news. I wasn’t happy enough for him.

He was wrong and a female surgeon
gave me the single mastectomy that saved my life. I had to argue for a second proventative mastectomy. I got it but talking to my breast nurse it would have been refused now as NICE guidelines have changed/are tighter.

A mastectomy completely alters your body. I can’t lift as much as I could. I can’t push as well. My back curves forwards more. I can’t carry. I’m weaker.

Yes you can have a phalloplasty in the UK . They usually use skin from the forearm to fashion a tube to create a penis . Drop off rate is around 5% so similar to other skin grafts .

Drop off rate? Please tell me that's not what I think it is.

This thread is horrifying 😭 I should stop coming back. How is this being allowed.

Underhisrs ... why do the protocols not match up?

It is horrible and shocking and I think the travesty is that this group of people are being sold a lemon.

Children are told that they can be born in the wrong body and that it can be fixed. It is explained in the same way you explain granny's death to a small child - without too much detail and a happy ending (granny just didn't wake up and is not sitting happily in heaven).

As children grow they question and work things out for themselves - but in these cases (in the Harry Potter magic-is-real generation) it's as if they just want it so badly (and have been told it is easily possible), they ignore the facts and reality of the situation.

...now sitting happily in heaven

I don’t know Choo.

It must be awful to want a mastectomy because you feel you’re breasts aren’t yours. It’s bloody awful to be refused one even though you’ve got cancer.

Agree... it’s crazy. I think this generation are fragile enough. Wanting safety above all it seems ... You don’t have to look far too see other institutions dumbing down reality. Eg Barclays new marketing campaign- making finance less scary. Didn’t know it was...

Phonic .... don’t disagree. But in a publicly funded health system “want” isn’t really a consideration. It should be driven by clinical need and preventative measures.

Disphoria of any sort is awful and impacts quality of life and needs to be dealt with in an appropriate manner.

I’m no mental health expert but it’s not sustainable to service this group of people in this way. Capitulating to life altering surgery which from the initial research doesn’t seem to help. Leaving people permanently impacted ... I don’t know the solution but it’s immoral what’s currently happening.

@Contraceptionismyfriend yes ‘ drop off ‘ refers to failure of the skin graft to take / establish a blood supply and therefore survive

I don't think it is just magical thinking, it is also a generation who have been 'medicalised' and brought up to think there is a drug to fix every normal, human emotion.

Struggle to sit still in class? There's a drug for that.
Need help study? There's a drug for that.
Feel a bit anxious? There's a drug for that.

And these drugs are not just being given to children in the most serious cases, at least not in the US, but to vast swathes of the population. It is unsurprising that young people think their social issues can be 'fixed' by the medical profession when this is what they have seen all around them growing up.

I raised this on another thread recently but no one supportive of trans people receiving treatment seemed able to answer my questions. On the one hand we're repeatedly told by TRAs, Stonewall et alia that transgenderism is not a mental illness. Yet as soon as something gets in the way of their validation it's "without this cosmetic surgery/new pronoun/key to the women's bogs we will kill ourselves!!".

So either a) Stonewall etc are wrong, these people are genuinely suicidal and therefore clearly it IS a mental illness, in which case why is it being treated by physical surgery rather than counselling?

or b) these people are cynically weaponising suicide and are not mentally ill, in which case there is no need for them to have surgery as it plays no part in treating a disorder or saving their life.

Either way, the case for radical mastectomies, implants and genital reconstructive surgery for people identifying as trans does not seem to be made out at all. So why the fuck are we chopping them up?

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I'm guessing its along the same line as if theres no biological.advantage in.sports then why have we been told not to worry because as they are being treated younger now then they wouldnt have been through puberty therefore no advantage exists.

But if no advantage exists after a yr on oestrogen then why is there a need to treat earlier to eliminate the advantage?

Which is it?

Only - Really good point - never really connected that before. I think there needs to be some significant research done.

Let’s be honest it’s not like they are short of funding.

@bengalcat...fml...it can fall off, literally!! How is that an acceptable risk?

Nothing to add to everyone else’s very valid points apart from to say that I also feel very sorry for the person who has lost a limb, how absolutely awful and traumatic.
I’m sure that Pink News will pick up on this story soon to help more people understand the risks.

Underhisrs

@NeedChoos yes it can literally fall off or need removal - essentially it’s a skin graft so in fhe same way people who have skin grafts to replace burns , restore anatomy where tissue has been removed can also suffer graft failure it’s similar . I guess those who go for surgery are prepared to take the 95% chance a heavy will take and the 5% it won’t .

It's bizarre isn't it @OnlyTheTitOfTheIceberg. When a man says he'll kill himself if a woman ends their relationship, most people can recognise that as emotional abuse.

And yet when trans people do that, it's not emotional abuse, nor are they mentally ill. Why is that?

They are not held to the sane standards of behaviour, they can demand people change their language, apologise, put their feelings, wants and needs before everyone and everything else and, when they don't get their own way, can shriek 'transphobia' and everyone is terrified of being put in the bigot box.

What incel wouldn't want to be trans? The power, the airtime, the respect.

Quite intoxicating I'd think.

That link is about a South African case. Not US