Transgender manager sues after botched op costs him his leg

[Yeahnahyeah]

I could weep.

city-press.news24.com/News/transgender-manager-sues-after-botched-op-costs-him-his-leg-20191001

4th Wave Now are also following botched surgeries by a different doctor, this one in the U.S.

4thwavenow.com/2019/08/26/catching-up-with-renowned-phalloplasty-surgeon-dr-curtis-crane/

It appears botched phalloplasties are the norm, not the exception. How could they not be? It is such a brutal proceedure.

Surely though, it's a fairly recent thing that it's no longer considered a mental.illness?

Alot of the surgeries that have been performed and alot of what the drs know is through basically knowingly experimenting on people who have mental illness.

Or does this recent reclassification let them.all.off now?

I get the impression that the push for declassification is, at least from the surgeons' point of view, about 'being let off' or perhaps even more so about being 'free' to make money from a vulnerable group without any checks and balances.

It should be remembered that this is not the first time surgery has been used to 'cure' mental illness though. Lobotomies arose from a similar mind set, but without the backdrop of ore general acceptance for /fashion of cosmetic surgery.

Yes its awfully convenient isnt it.

But at the time that the surgeries were performed they knew full well it was classed as a mental illness . And they had no way of knowing it would change.

That ought to mean something.

It's like giving a gastric band to somebody who's anorexic.

It's an unnecessary, pointless and highly dangerous procedure imo. Up there with FGM and needs a similar attitude to address. Co-incidentally both procedures are only carried out on one sex. Can you guess which?

I don't think they care, Sarah.

A percentage of surgeons just don't seem to view their patients as human beings, which I can kind of understand, I imagine a level of detachment is necessary to do the job, but in some cases it seems more extreme. They just seem to be viewing people in the manner a mechanic views a car, just something to be fixed, tinkered with, improved upon, just to see if they can if that makes any sense.

And to think arnold

We are apparently the bad guys...

It's almost as if this is all completely unnatural.

How dare science not conform to their demands.

It's obviously a mental illness. People feel they are in the wrong body. I hope one day there will be medicine to treat it, like we medicate other mental disorders. Combined with therapy of course.

Horrendous. I hope young people take notice of this..I fear they see taking medication for life and mutilating surgery almost as nothing.

That is so horrible. I do not understand why anyone would subject themselves to totally unnecessary surgery which is very dangerous. That person is not the only one.

Co-incidentally both procedures are only carried out on one sex. Can you guess which?

To be fair RuffleCrow, some transwomen have had neovaginas constructed which also are subject to complications: prolapse, stenosis, infections etc. And all this so that suicideal ideation can increase after surgical transition.

It's almost as if mutilating a healthy body to treat a psychological condition is a bad idea...

Is it true there's no feeling?
Are either of the mutilated faux genitals capable of creating an orgasm?

Apparently so as tissue is retained and used to create a clitoris or part of the penis. Personally I’d be a bit suspicious.

I understand transwomen with neovaginas have reported achieving orgasm in follow-up studies. No idea for reconstructed phalluses.

I think you'd have to first define what you mean by 'orgasm'. Obviously a transwoman who had had their testicles removed isn't orgasming in the traditional male sense of ejaculating. And equally obviously they aren't experiencing the vaginal contractions associated with orgasm in the traditional female sense. So what exactly do they mean by 'orgasm'?

This is horrific. Poor poor person.

The thought occurred to me though - maybe too macabre to write but I am going to.

Why do they remove breasts and discard that body tissue, when later on they are going to permanently remove the forearm skin to create a fake penis? Couldn’t they at least save the arm by using the breast tissue?

It makes no sense at all does it . That there would be that much feeling.

How many women who had birth injuries and how many men who were circumcised have suffered from loss of sensation. And these are people with stuff where it's supposed to be.

So how when you tamper with things so dramatically and with stuff taken from somewhere else where feeling or being an organ fir sexual purposes was not the main.function, could it be in any way comparable.

Couldn’t they at least save the arm by using the breast tissue?

I think it's to do with the amount / sensitivity of nerves needed? Maybe there aren't enough in the breasts? Or it's the wrong texture (that's the wrong word but I can't quite think what I mean)?

Quite, Arnold, which is why I was careful to note that this is what has been self-reported. Who knows what levels of delusion / powerful wishful thinking are going into their definition of orgasm?

Are the transwomen claiming they're orgasming the same ones claiming they're having periods?

It was in a study I read.

www.europeanurology.com/article/S0302-2838(12)01560-6/fulltext

If course now though wendy need to remember that kids moving down this path now, the future recipients of these surgeries , well if they have been on the blockers the standard surgery is not possible for the mtf surgery. They do not have the material required. The alternatives are experimental.

having never gone through puberty so dont even know what an orgasm is or have even had one, will they likely wont have any firm.of sexual feeling.

Articles /info.like that is meaningless to them because it's not relevant at all.

That's a really good (and sad...tragic, in fact) point Sarah.

It is according to Buck. It so necessary, it should be of at least the same priority as breast cancer surgery.

mobile.twitter.com/BuckAngel

Calling it top and bottom surgery sounds so whimsical and easy.
No wonder they're surprised when it all goes to shit.