Transgender manager sues after botched op costs him his leg

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I could weep.

city-press.news24.com/News/transgender-manager-sues-after-botched-op-costs-him-his-leg-20191001

4th Wave Now are also following botched surgeries by a different doctor, this one in the U.S.

4thwavenow.com/2019/08/26/catching-up-with-renowned-phalloplasty-surgeon-dr-curtis-crane/

It appears botched phalloplasties are the norm, not the exception. How could they not be? It is such a brutal proceedure.

Not all.morbidly obese people are though.

Many have to loose weight or start exercising before they get the surgery.

Addiction has to be treated because if all you did was give them a gastric band you haven't combatted the issue and they risk killing themselves by over eating or not following the protocol afterwards. It's a risky surgery one which is not suitable for many people . They dont just take fat people and operate. Its alot more complicated than that.

Google says 25k to 125k

Also says some states say must be covered by insurance policies
Viagra is as well

Contraception not necessarily
Abortion barely legal some states. Assume not covered by insurance at work in all states if even contraception doesn't have to be

Doesn’t bariatric surgery physically prevent over eating, weight loss, reduces comorbid medical conditions trying to prevent death.

Treatment for anorexia, bulimia are to prevent death by physical causes, starvation, heart attack etc like forced intubation if weight gets dangerously low. The rest of the treatment is about the mind.

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But some posters are saying that mental illness should be treated with therapy not surgery.

So why do we do bariatric surgery? Treat patients with therapy if it's that simple.

Or could the answer be that it isn't that simple?

Doesn’t bariatric surgery physically prevent over eating, weight loss, reduces comorbid medical conditions trying to prevent death.

But why not treat it with therapy? It stems from a mental health condition. It isn't a physical illness.

Clearly there are instances where it is appropriate to offer surgical solutions to mental health conditions.

But you are conflating immediate medical need to prevent or stop physical harm caused by actual medical reasons eg heart disease, mal nutrition, infections of the skin folds , disability etc

That's different to perfectly healthy bodies and brains being altered for mental health reasons alone

Tequila, do you really not understand that bariatric surgery (used as a last resort on obese people where other methods of weight loss have failed), is designed to treat their mental health problems?

Of course it isn't. It's to treat the physical problems. This is from the NHS:

Being obese can also increase your risk of developing many potentially serious health conditions, including:

type 2 diabetes
high blood pressure
high cholesterol and atherosclerosis (where fatty deposits narrow your arteries), which can lead to coronary heart disease and stroke
asthma
metabolic syndrome, a combination of diabetes, high blood pressure and obesity
several types of cancer, including bowel cancer, breast cancer and womb cancer
gastro-oesophageal reflux disease (GORD), where stomach acid leaks out of the stomach and into the gullet
gallstones
reduced fertility
osteoarthritis, a condition involving pain and stiffness in your joints
sleep apnoea, a condition that causes interrupted breathing during sleep, which can lead to daytime sleepiness with an increased risk of road traffic accidents, as well as a greater risk of diabetes, high blood pressure and heart disease
liver disease and kidney disease
pregnancy complications, such as gestational diabetes or pre-eclampsia, when a woman experiences a potentially dangerous rise in blood pressure during pregnancy

www.nhs.uk/conditions/obesity/

Correcting typo in the first sentence my last post.

Tequila, do you really not understand that bariatric surgery (used as a last resort on obese people where other methods of weight loss have failed), is not designed to treat their mental health problems?

Bariatric surgery is used when all other treatments medical and therapy have failed to stop someone dying.

If this is an attempt for a gotcha - the trans community require acceptance without exception and medical intervention on request.

Which does not compare to years of therapy before last ditch surgery to avoid death.

Because - they do not believe that trans = mental illness.

So if it’s not a life threatening mental illness, therapy is not a consideration, it’s not a physical medical need because nothing physical is not working, so the surgery is prescribed why?

It is still a mental health condition being treated with surgery.

If mental health conditions are so easily treated with therapy (which is what you are all saying re transgenderism "they should be given therapy not surgery") then why is bariatric surgery necessary?

You are saying it's a last ditch treatment when everything else has failed - the everything else meaning therapy presumably?

So if you ban gender reassignment surgery and offer only therapy what happens when that fails?

It is still a mental health condition being treated with surgery.

Read all those conditions associated with obesity that I posted from the NHS site. Do you think those are all mental health conditions?

So if you ban gender reassignment surgery and offer only therapy what happens when that fails?

Why does anyone need therapy or surgery for something that is neither a mental health condition nor a physical health condition?

WHO moved it to sexual health.

www.webmd.com/sex/news/20190529/being-transgender-not-a-mental-disorder-who-says

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If mental health conditions are so easily treated with therapy'

Who has said this.
That would be a terribly crass thing to say and I can't imagine anyone on here would say it.

Read all those conditions associated with obesity that I posted from the NHS site. Do you think those are all mental health conditions?

But they are a result of being morbidly obese. If the person returned to a normal BMI then the risk of developing those conditions would diminish.

If therapy is so successful then why not treat morbidly obese patients with therapy rather than very risky surgical procedures?

Why does anyone need therapy or surgery for something that is neither a mental health condition nor a physical health condition?

I guess they don't. If it isn't seen as either a mental or physical condition then I presume the surgery is more akin to cosmetic surgery. That isn't treating a mental or physical illness but is available.

If mental health conditions are so easily treated with therapy'

A pp said that transgenderism shouldn't be treated with surgery but with therapy, as though that's the answer.

Anyone want to say what cosmetic surgery is available on the NHS?

Not any that is exceptionally carried out for mental health issues, because it’s established that being trans is not a mental health condition.

Morbidly obese patients who get bariatric surgery are only getting it because therapy failed. Stop ignoring that.

That isn't treating a mental or physical illness but is available.

But not on the NHS or for prisoners.

The real question is

How is someone who is suicidal due to the physical appearance of their body not a mental health condition?

But they are a result of being morbidly obese. If the person returned to a normal BMI then the risk of developing those conditions would diminish.

Or they could die from one of those conditions.

It is still a mental health condition being treated with surgery.

It is the resulting SYMPTOM of a mental health condition being treated with surgery. Rather like if someone was self harming. You would treat the symptom, the wound, because that is an immediate threat to their physical health. Then you would treat their mental health to stop them harming themselves again.

But given that being transgender has been declared to not be a mental health condition I can’t see how this is relevant as they won’t be getting any therapy.

Tequila at least 4 out of 10 women have mental health issues around pregnancy and birth.

This is fwr on mn a majority female site most are parents ie mothers. Mental health is a topic that gets discussed lots on fwr and across the boards, many have personal experience.

You talk as if it's a theoretical topic for women / mothers and that there is little knowledge on fwr which feels off to me tbh

Fatness isn’t a mental health condition though.