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Trans Widows Escape Committee 3: Rise of the Trans Widows

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TinselAngel · 18/08/2019 18:28

Less than two years have passed since the first TWEC thread and now its time for a third.

This is a support area for women who are, or have been, in unhappy relationships with male partners who are transitioning, or exploring their "gender identity"

If you are in that position-

  1. You are not alone
  2. It is not a situation that you should be expected to tolerate, let alone celebrate.
  3. There is always a way out, if you want it. The thread is called Escape Committee for that reason

Remember: women talking to each other is a powerful weapon!

Regulars- do post here to get the thread going.

Lurkers- now would be a great time to de-lurk.

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TinselAngel · 25/12/2019 12:48

Really struggling with DD being at her Dad's today. I miss her so much. Sad

I know I need to get a grip. She'll be back tomorrow.

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Italiangreyhound · 25/12/2019 13:58

@racytay1020 your post is very moving. We have some things in common I think because I sense your deep sadness. I'm not a trans widow but we have a trans young person in the family and the sorrow is different but palpable too. May I ask if you belong to a religious community of any sort? Don't answer if you do not wish to.

Italiangreyhound · 25/12/2019 15:23

TinselAngel Hope today will go OK. Tomorrow will come soon enough. XX

Toomanytears · 25/12/2019 16:03

tinsel you don't need to 'get a grip' everyone understands it's a difficult day. You have supported so many of us through the last few years. Get an early night and put today behind you.

TinselAngel · 25/12/2019 16:19

Thanks x

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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 25/12/2019 16:43

Delurking to say how much I feel for you all and how much I admire your courage and clear sightedness. Hope you have as happy a Christmas as you can under the circumstances. Xmas Smile

Datun · 25/12/2019 21:41

Also delurking to wish to wish peace and calm to you all this holiday season.

Despite what goes into it, or more, because of what goes into it, this thread is one of the most important threads on the site.

💐

socialworker222 · 25/12/2019 23:21

Tinsel well done for surviving the day. I'd have hated it... But it's just a day. Hope you have fun with her tomorrow

racytay1020 · 26/12/2019 04:55

I am Christian, not attending a church rn. I want to but when i do I feel so let down that the church also ignores this issue and the women like us. I was in a support group for several years, it was all Christian women whose husbands cross-dressed or transitioned. Many of the men were pastors and church deacons. I am trying to remember it isnt about who is at church and try to get back to going regularly. I visit a church from time to time.

racytay1020 · 26/12/2019 04:57

The kids are doing much better now than before. Still, we seem to be part of a social experiment and the waves of grief and the impact of a parent transitioning may not be known until we have lived our entire lives.

TinselAngel · 27/12/2019 10:58

I have to admit to being a bit intrigued as to what a support group for the wives of cross dressing vicars, was like?

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Italiangreyhound · 27/12/2019 11:48

racytay Thaks for replying. Are you in the states?

Don't say it you do not wish to.

I don't want to derail as I'm not a trans widow but do have a trans young person in the family (who has been suicidal) and I get your pain at watching a young person feel so awful even if it is for different reasons.

The situation in the UK churches may be quite mixed. Some ignore the issues, some go against it for spiritual reaons (so to speak) but some are very LGBT friendly too.

Anyway, the trans narrative has caused a lot of confusion and it is ironic to me at times that trans people do often seem attracted to the church.

Indeed, the only adult male identifying (relatively newly) as a trans woman, that I personally know, is an active member of a church.

So I sometimes wonder if there is a draw towards churches for trans adults. Inspite of the fact they won't necessarily be welcomed. Maybe in some circles they are actively welcomed too.

I hope whatever the future holds for your family you will find a way through this and your bravery will achieve great things for your kids. That they will not just survive, but thrive. I know that may seem hard now. But it is also my prayer for the young person in my family. Xxxxx

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TinselAngel · 27/12/2019 16:26

Hi Thea83 Obviously I've reported that post, but if you really are a (female) partner of a trans woman, we'll still be here when the scales fall from your eyes.

Peace and love x

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LangCleg · 27/12/2019 16:29

Why can none of these people spell woman?

(Reported as a support thread.)

Rettstar · 30/12/2019 14:03

I broke up with Ex 2 weeks before christmas, which is statistically the most common time of the year to do it. So, 15 yrs on from the break up. What did I learn in those 15 years.

2004 - It was my fault that I was treated the way I was treated because of my gender.
2015 - I don't hate trans people (one of my male friends came out to me as an MTF)
2015 - I was in domestic violent relationship even though I wasn't beaten physically.
2018 - I can't say no when pressed for sex
2018 - that if I share my story, I'm considered a TERF because I genuinely don't believe my Ex was a woman (I have MTF friends, they are completely different to my Ex (also not in relationships during transition time)).
2019 - I fear my husband getting angry with me, so I don't make him angry or argue
2019 - I am submissive when confronted with abandonment or rejection
2019 - I was sexually abused in my last relationship, I was forced to do things that included penetrating him with objects, sex with him in lingerie, watching girl on girl porn etc. I couldn't say no to him as I thought he'd get angry
2019 - My fertility issues are a direct result of the abuse in that relationship
2019 - that my ex used being trans as an excuse for abuse
2019 - that I have CPTSD and now getting counseling
2019 - that my ex groomed me to try and get me to be lesbian
2019 - that my ex did these things to me as Mark, not his transitioned person Kate, so I'm still confused as to what happened to me.
2019 - I've started exploring gender critical feminism and I still don't understand why women aren't women anymore.

TinselAngel · 30/12/2019 16:49

What was it in 2019 that started to clarify things for you Rett?

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socialworker222 · 31/12/2019 11:22

It's very confusing, wondering whether you were involved with an entirely different person or not. Mid-life transitioners tend to tell the world that they are unchanged 'inside', and still the same person/husband/father. (This helps to fuel the idea that women who leave these relationships are superficial and simply freaked about by the clothing/paraphenalia). However that doesn't seem to be the experience of women on this thread; my children experienced someone behaving in entirely alien and un-child-focussed ways, yet affirming all the time he was 'deep down' still Dad. Certainly felt like I and they were dealing with a stranger; one of my children felt very frightened and unsafe around the 'new' person to the extent that they stopped all contact. So Rett it makes sense that you feel bewildered about whom you are/were dealing with. It's mindblowing.

Rettstar · 31/12/2019 14:10

@tinselangel

I babysit for a close friend and this year, in January his kids started disclosing emotional abuse experienced at the hands of their mother (my friend and his ex have not been together for 11 years). He tried to protect them but the family court forced them to return to her and we've had to deal with family court stuff this year. This started to trigger suppressed memories of my upbringing. I experienced emotional childhood neglect by my parents, both of whom were abused as children physically and emotionally. I was to blame for many things that happened including y sister not doing her chores, I was blamed for fights that we had, when she was beating me, it was my problem to solve, not theirs. Beating continued until she ran away from home when I was 19. (she was 17).

Then in March 2019, Cardinal Pell was convicted of child sex abuse. During the sentencing, the defence said it was only one instance, and on the lower end of the scale. I was raped as a 4 yr old, only one time, by a teenager living next door to my parents. So, I guess one time is OK right?

Then in August, my friend with the abused kids declared his love for me, I was drunk and reacted badly and told him in public, no. He took this badly and in September, told me where to go, started a new relationship with an old sweetheart and said that it was my fault that he had to leave Uni and I put his children in danger and that their lives depended on my statement.

Also in September, we were studying oppression at Uni, domestic violence was used as an example of oppression and the gaslighting was discussed in detail. I felt like my lecturer had cut me open and was showing everyone my life. Then memories of the abuse I experienced by my ex started to surface.

Also in September, my husband crossed the only not negotiable in our relationship around drinking, so I walked out on him and took my child to a friends house where we lived for 2 weeks. In that 2 week period, I started to find my emotional self control disappear and my "friend" told me not to leave my marriage for him, or we'd never speak again and then he told me to find other friends to talk to and left for his hometown. All of this triggered abandonment fears and issues, which stem from my shitty childhood.

October started with me having flashbacks about my ex and what he did to me, the sexual assaults, being used as a masturbation tool, being groomed (also something happening to my friend's teenage daughter atm).

Husband and I managed to talk and he stopped the behaviour (drinking) that was my not negotiable. I went to Uni and told them I was falling apart and needed help, so I started intensive counseling. I started marriage counselling and then finally trauma counselling. I have lost count of the counseling sessions I've had since late October. I have had a complete mental breakdown, I have been disabled, for many weeks I have been unable to do normal things like drive, go to the shops, exist without having panic attacks. The counseling is helping me manage my thoughts.

Due to my upbringing, I had no idea what I was getting into with my ex. My parents taught me to accept being spoken to badly so I thought it was normal. I thought it was normal to be subservient. I thought it was normal to submit to angry people. I didn't tell anyone I was being abused because I was taught not to tell anyone about anything that happened in my family. I had no idea that I was in an abnormal relationship.

The only reason I came out of the fog was because I watched gran die, and realised if I didn't leave my ex, I would be dead within 5 years. I then went to a friend's wedding 2 weeks later, was alone for the first time in 9 years and realised that I could survive without my ex.

When I left him, I had to learn how to pay the bills, how to negotiate with creditors. My credit rating was black marked because of his actions. So, 2019 was my epiphany year because I finally had the breakdown I probably should have had 15 years ago and didn't because I had to survive leaving my ex and learning how to function as an adult with literally no support. Now I am doing everything the hard way.

I have to learn how not to dissociate, how to ask for help, not self harm, to let myself experience emotional pain for the first time ever. Even when I was having my baby, or when I've had pancreatitus, the physical pain is nothing in comparison to what I have had to endure over the years and now I'm no longer using food, or pain to deal with my emotions.

I'm not as bad as I was a month ago. I know it's improving but it's hell and I hope to god, I never go through this again.

Rettstar · 31/12/2019 14:30

Sorry about the post above, but I have had to accept that my upbringing contributed to what I went through with my ex.

I am a woman that has experienced trauma for decades and never dealt with it.

Literally the only person in my life who has not abused me has been my husband. The only source of pure love I have experienced has been my daughter. Husband loves me, but the love of a child, is unique. I am grateful that despite the internal damage to my uterus I experienced at the hands of my ex, that my daughter was a strong enough zygote to implant and foetus to grow and become my newborn rainbow child.

I have discovered it's possible to love more than one man. I have discovered that you can save a marriage if the other partner wants to save it as much as you do. That I am loveable and I can love. That I am not an emotionless automaton that I thought I was. I am the luckiest woman alive. These are the things I build upon :-)

TinselAngel · 01/01/2020 19:24

It won't happen again @Rettstar because now you have worked out what has been going on, you won't let it happen again Thanks

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TinselAngel · 02/01/2020 11:01

Amanda is cross with us again but we will be here when she needs us.

Trans Widows Escape Committee 3: Rise of the Trans Widows
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Rettstar · 02/01/2020 11:54

@tinselangel who is amanda ?

Italiangreyhound · 02/01/2020 12:07

Rettstar my heart goes out to you. Xxxxxx

Italiangreyhound · 02/01/2020 12:10

"I have discovered it's possible to love more than one man. I have discovered that you can save a marriage if the other partner wants to save it as much as you do. That I am loveable and I can love. That I am not an emotionless automaton that I thought I was. I am the luckiest woman alive. These are the things I build upon :-)"

You are an incredible woman. I think your story could help others too. I hope you journal and write tour life story. Evenifyou never publish it. You are a survivor. It is awful that you have needed to be, but you are turning coal into diamonds. XXxX Flowers

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