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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans Widows Escape Committee 3: Rise of the Trans Widows

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TinselAngel · 18/08/2019 18:28

Less than two years have passed since the first TWEC thread and now its time for a third.

This is a support area for women who are, or have been, in unhappy relationships with male partners who are transitioning, or exploring their "gender identity"

If you are in that position-

  1. You are not alone
  2. It is not a situation that you should be expected to tolerate, let alone celebrate.
  3. There is always a way out, if you want it. The thread is called Escape Committee for that reason

Remember: women talking to each other is a powerful weapon!

Regulars- do post here to get the thread going.

Lurkers- now would be a great time to de-lurk.

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TinselAngel · 04/12/2019 20:37

Oh and also it's been two years this week since the first thread started! Feel free to raise a glass. Wine

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Whatcanyoudo1 · 04/12/2019 21:13

I have been reading these posts and am saddened and amazed at what you all have experienced. I am so sorry. Until recently, I saw the word "abuse" quite a bit and thought that it was not the case with my daughter's ex. I could not imagine him being abusive had she agreed to stay with him. However, the tide has turned. The two are in a play together and thankfully it is going to be over soon. But he has observed that she has developed feelings for another guy who is also in the play. The two of them have been very careful to keep their relationship under the radar because it's new, and they do not want it played out in front of her ex. No one guessed their mutual affection but her ex has of course been watching her. So, this past week, he has been doing what amounts to bullying. He has made sure the two have no chance to talk. He will position his body in such a way that he edges my daughter out of circles of friends and especially away from the other guy. He has taken to being overly friendly with the guy, such as rubbing his shoulders from behind, which is really making him uncomfortable. And he is staring my daughter down in a way that is giving her anxiety. This is from an 18 year old. So I can only imagine what he might be like later!

At the same time, he has managed to elicit sympathy from everyone that my daughter broke his heart and is not interested in someone else.

Coldwatershock · 04/12/2019 21:14

Massive congratulations to you Tinsel for not just starting but nurturing these threads. You have quietly changed so many women's lives, and created a safe place for honest discussion and support. It's such a great thing you did Wine

Whatcanyoudo1 · 04/12/2019 21:16

That last part was suppose to read: He has managed to elicit sympathy from everyone because my daughter broke his heart and is now interested in someone else. I could not figure out how to edit.

socialworker222 · 04/12/2019 21:47

What I'm sorry to hear that. We'd all hoped your daughter had extricated herself safely. On reflection it will help her realize she is best keeping him at arm's length but it sounds as if she can really do without this after all she's been through. Others will of course see this person's behaviour for what it is. It's horrible to see her still having to manage this though.

Whatcanyoudo1 · 04/12/2019 21:59

Thank you, social. I do hope she can just get through this play (performances are this weekend and next) and be through with him for good. It has been such an ordeal for her.

TinselAngel · 04/12/2019 22:26

Is this a school play, or can she never see him again once it's over?

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WalkedAway · 04/12/2019 22:36

I'd like to say something about "the disingenousness of the fetish." What you say fits my experience with my ex, a closeted AGP TIM. My ex, who declared himself a masochist, was very good at "topping from the bottom," as it's called. So although what he wanted was to act as a submissive woman, he was really controlling the action. He wanted me to take up a position of dominance, to act "as the man," but as a woman who was acting out her husband's desires, I was still "acting as a woman."

It was a giant mindf*ck. One of the most damaging aspects of that time I spent with my then husband was the hit I took to my sense of myself as a woman and a sexual being.

TinselAngel · 04/12/2019 22:42

The mental gymnastics make my head hurt just thinking about it, let alone living through it.

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Whatcanyoudo1 · 05/12/2019 15:59

Hi Tinsel. The play is not at school but at a community theatre where they are both involved. She will not be able to avoid him completely but she can limit her time there until he graduates from high school and goes off to college next fall. It cannot come soon enough!

Last night her ex told her new romantic interest that he wanted to "warn" him about my daughter. He also raged with anger at a girl who seemed to be on my daughter's side. He is definitely proving to be a problem.

TinselAngel · 05/12/2019 16:25

Is there a theatre group in the next town that she could go to instead?

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Whatcanyoudo1 · 05/12/2019 17:09

She does have other theatre options, thank goodness.

TinselAngel · 05/12/2019 17:11

I just think we were stuck with them because of marriage and children, but she has the option to make a clean break.

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LangCleg · 05/12/2019 17:38

Congratulations on two years of support and consciousness raising.

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TinselAngel · 05/12/2019 19:30

😘

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socialworker222 · 05/12/2019 21:05

Totally. You won't fully know how much this thread has helped women living this nightmare. You kept it going, fought off troublemakers Grin, and I for one can't thank you enough. You should be so proud of this Wine

TinselAngel · 05/12/2019 22:05

It would never have worked so well without you, social 😘

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Rettstar · 14/12/2019 14:36

I had another moment a couple of days ago.

I noted in a previous post that damage done to me by my ex contributed to the inability of my uterus to have a successful implant. I lost count of the amount of times I'd get to 5/6 weeks and then I'd have a super heavy period with massive clots.

The birth of my rainbow baby was not easy. I was admitted into hospital in week 38 to be induced. My blood pressure had gone up extremely quickly and given my age, it was felt I should be induced. There started a pretty terrible 24 hours.

I endured a balloon catheter, hormone gel, amniotic sac being broken, however it wasn't done properly the first time, so they did it again, then syntocin, 5 rounds. I had so many pelvic exams I lost count. Multiple doctors and midwives - while polite inserted their hands in and out.

I didn't require pain meds while I was in labour, but I did when they put the balloon catheter in, that took then about 6 attempts and it was a midwife that managed it as the doctor didn't do it properly the first 5 attempts.

Each contraction was joyful for me, as I suffer anxiety attacks, I do breathing exercises, so I was perfectly able to manage and to be honest, didn't feel the pain except when I wasn't prepared. As the day wore on, I needed an epidural as my blood pressure went up again and my girl's heart rate was dropping with each round of syntocin. Lower and lower. Unfortunately, they couldn't stop the contractions and I had to deal with getting an epidural put in while having contractions and it took 2 attempts for that to work.

Then I had to have an emergency CS. My labour failed, my girl was acynclitic. I felt nothing, I could barely breathe, I kept talking to the anaesthetist because I figured if I couldn't feel myself breathing, but I knew that when talking, breathing is included, that I would be not focused on taking breaths.

The next day, I asked my husband to help me in the shower and he asked if it would not be better for a nurse to help. It triggered a meltdown in the room and I wasn't loud, but I was pretty insistent I did not want any other human being to touch me at all. Ever.

Now, how does this relate - I've been in counseling for 2 months and each time I talk to the counselor, a few days later, things start to appear. The abuse I endured at the hands of my ex, resulted in my uterus being damaged. My best friend is a doctor and had read a report 6 months ago. The medical report was done when I had my last D&C in 2015 and had asked me at the time if I had been in a car accident. When I told my best friend what happened to me at the hands of my ex, my friend got really angry. I didn't understand why, until they said that my ex had pretty much gutted me and the damage reported meant that it was unlikely that I could bear children. This was why my doctor had freaked out and told me no exercise at all except slow walking until I had the baby.

So, something else to talk about with my counselor when I see them next. Because now I understand that the birth was so traumatic for me because of what my ex did. It's something I have been stuck thinking on for a few days and it really sucks. Thanks ladies for listening.

Joisanofthedales · 14/12/2019 15:33
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TinselAngel · 16/12/2019 12:03

That’s a hell of a lot to process Rett.

It’s good that’s you have a counsellor to help you with it all.

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socialworker222 · 18/12/2019 18:47

It really is. Counselling is great if you find the right person... Good luck. That's really tough.
I've been wondering as I write Christmas cards, and approach the holidays always feeling a bit fragile as a single parent, how everyone out there is doing? I found the first Christmas very hard, and some of you will be playing happy families while you hide how you feel. Hope you've all got support ( or lots of booze Grin).

Rettstar · 19/12/2019 06:30

@socialworker222

I did something different this year, I sent Christmas cards for the first time. I'm trying to create something new, rather than keep repeating my inaction or behaviours of the past.

I also have a good counselor. I'm not so sure if she's understanding of the kids thing, I described my experience to her, her reaction was horror. Mind you, it was pretty horrific when you think about it. Totally triggering for me and really created an understanding about why I reacted in such a strong way.

My grief due to the reduced infertility has eased somewhat, I think because now I have a reason for the lack of children, it wasn't just my fault or my body's fault. Someone did something horrendous to me. Years of angst and grief - just slowly melting away.

Understanding that my parents really did contribute to my mental health problems, walking into a relationship with an abusive man, being unable to communicate my need for help. There's anger and resentment. I'm angry that I was the one to blame when my sister didn't do her chores, or hit me, or misbehaved because I'm the older child and therefore should parent her. Did you know, I only take care of people I really love? I only have ever loved 2 men. My husband and my best friend. I can't do enough for them, or my child, or my best friend's children.

My Christmas I hope, this year is going to be great. For the first time, I don't feel angst or fear. I put up a Christmas tree for my little girl, first time I've done that. I think this year, I might be unencumbered, but we'll see. I usually end up hating Christmas =D

TinselAngel · 19/12/2019 08:08

DD is going to her Dad's for Christmas for the first time since we split up. I'm trying to put a brave face on it 

The saddest Christmas was the one before I left when I knew it would be the last, so I wonder how @Toomanytears is doing.

Also, as ever hoping @EmilyHowardsWife is OK.

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Figurefox · 19/12/2019 23:49

Hi trans widow world. I am a trans widow and I am so happy to find you. I feel like I’ve been on my own with this thing for the last 5 years but I think I may have found my people? Don’t get me wrong, I’ve had a lot of support from friends but no one understands really what it feels like. So hopefully I’m in the right place. PS I might get all my gender pronouns mixed up but it is not intentional (most of the time). I’m just confused.

Coldwatershock · 20/12/2019 07:28

Welcome Figure. I certainly found my people here and hope you do too. Sounds like you've been through this for some time. How are you doing now?
Tinsel that's really hard. I hope you have a plan for the day (perhaps involving intoxicating substances? Grin).
Re. Christmasses Past, my first after my ex left was absolutely terrible. He came to see the children for a couple of hours and spent most of the time on his phone. It was entirely out-of-character, teenage and bewildering to my teenagers. He then went off to his double life. I stood in the kitchen on my own and quietly wept as I imagine so many women do in so many different Christmasses for so many different reasons.
I'm hoping your daughter's okay What and that the show isn't/didn't cause more problems.
Wondering if your ex is still ill Quinn, and hope you're okay Older... there are a lot of us and I wish we could all give each other a hug, or share a drink, at this time of year.
One thing that helped me a lot was to tackle Christmas by changing it. I tried to get from Christmas being 'the same but with a big hole in it/someone missing', to something new. And of course greatly lower my expectations of it, and myself, because women particularly have so much pressure and stuff to do. It helped that I had teenagers, as Christmas kind of changes anyway as the years go on, so the contrast was less stark that Dad had gone (literally and literally). I hope whatever you're all doing, you're okay, and I'll certainly be thinking of everyone.
I'm lucky enough to be free, and now genuinely glad my ex is out of our lives, and even starting to feel that 'don't care' feeling I hoped for. You can't generate that, I think it's the passage of time, talking, help, all that, that got me here.
Hang on in there completely wonderful women. It does get better.

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