"Would you date a trans person?" Mostly, no. So you're basically killing them.

[Lamaha]

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Is anyone surprised by the result?
But: it's simply transphobia. People need to wake up.
Biological men and women who need to get with the times. Just like white people wouldn't date people of colour back in the day,
... it is not until the straight community begins dating transgenders at a higher rate that Western civilization will truly show itself to be accepting and safe for the LGBT community.

“(I)t is one thing to make space for diverse gender identities within our workplaces, schools, washrooms and public spaces,” Blair wrote. “But it is another to fully include and accept gender diversity within our families and romantic relationships.

So, now that they've won the loos and prisons and hospitals, the next goal is in sight... and it's US.
People, prepare for girldick etc.

We all have to accept that some will not like us!

We cant get on with everyone, some will find us annoying for reasons we cannot imagine. There are loads of the population we would wont feel suited to.

I am happy with my vagina but not with someones elses atall despite it being fine and dandy for them. Its still a no from me. I dont like them, i definitely dont want to get close to another one; for the male penis, the opposite.

I find it hard to warm to anyone who speaks in the way i have now heard many speaking, to even retain an open mind to those who scream diaf bitch and so on.

The aggressive nature that i have seen displayed just makes me not even remotely want to be friends, its something to protect yourself from and have a healthy fear of such aggression.

I sometimes find i am surprised by those who give me the fanny gallops, as being outside of my usual type, but its still men i like.

Men who are real, with emotions and see women as equals, who respect bodily autonomy and choices.

As far as trans people go, those who want to align themself with the female sex, that makes them male trying to pass as female, which i would be turned off by, because i dont like female for my sexual hits, but i also couldnt shake off that a trans person who wanted to align themselves with maleness, is still a woman, and i wouldnt want to be sexually intimate with a woman.

I would potentially be attracted to a man wanting to align himself with womanwoman, but purely based on any male attributes he possessed, like being a man, having a penis, broad chest, beard, etc, its something primal, instantaneous.

Why are they not drawn to date each other? Surely they would be soul-mates having all the understanding and insights of the experience.

I wouldn’t date a trans person if I was single. I would also be bloody fuming if I started dating someone new and months/years Down the line found out they used to be a woman. If you want to be trans then go for it but it’s not my cup of tea and to me you’ll always be a bloke in a dress or vice versa.

Sorry, you get to be as racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, ageist, ableist and any other kind of prejudiced that you can think of as you like when it comes to sex and dating.

My daughter, now 29, was approached a few years ago by a TV company planning a reality dating show and were looking for young, attractive, single women. The man at the centre of the show was going to be disabled. I assume he would have been otherwise attractive. The women in the show had to be initially prejudiced but won over by him so as to overcome their prejudice at dating a disabled man.

My daughter turned it down, and she felt terrible afterwards (she is a very kind person) because she felt she was unfairly prejudiced. But that's just the way things are. We generally look for healthy, able-bodied partners in our long-term partners, especially if we want to have a family (she's now married with a baby).

It's very sad for disabled people and I feel for them, but that's just the way it is and dealing with rejection is one of the things that contributes to maturity.

I wonder if that TV show ever materialised. I don't watch much TV but has anyone heard of such a dating show?

I've just seen a grovelling apology from mega trans ally Amanda Jette Knox for 'not staying in her lane' and saying something she wasn't allowed to. That's the kind of thing you might have to look forward to when dating a super-sensitive TRA.

I like tall dark men, I like beards, hairy chests, the man smell etc. It's what I've always been attracted to.

Oh, and cock.

When I was a student I refused to go out with any man who bought The Sun.

Smell is a massive attractor for me. I can smell something and be instantly transported to a specific time and place. I have very heightened senses and smell is the most heightened.
I had a fwb who I was madly in love with and I used to sleep with his worn T-shirt on my pillow as it brought such comfort.
Women can smell nice but it's always their perfume, not their actual body smell.

I used to absolutely love the smell of DH. One day we went on a group outing to a wildlife park. We were alone briefly and engaged in a passionate embrace. I murmured that he smelled particularly strong and delicious today.

Then, as we disentangled, he noticed that we were right next to the gorilla enclosure and a huge silverback was nearby, watching us. It was him whose smell I was picking up.

Turned into a running gag. So funny. DH smells like a gorilla.

And I once had a boyfriend who picked up my smell from the front door when I was in the kitchen with his mum. He wasn't expecting me. I asked him to describe it. He said I smelled very faintly of prawns, though this is not the reason for my username

@lamaha, it sounds awful. Women were offered up on some altar but was there a male equivalent? or rather a disabled female contestant and a panel of attractive young men who would in time see past her disability? I'm betting not. As that would be unfathomable to the male producer.

I'm attracted to sound of voice much more strongly than scent. I'm likely attracted to scent in a subconscious way, I'm probably attracted to pheromones as much as anyone else but I'm just not particularly aware of it.

But voices. They really do something to me. I have been strongly attracted to men I wouldn't glance at in the street until talking to them because of their voice.

Transwomen tend to put on a false "Michael Jackson" higher pitched voice which is a right turn off to me.
Although I admit some transwoman are simply beautiful, gorgeous to look at, just do nothing for me sexually.

Some transmen I've seen on YouTube are also extremely attractive to look at. They look like very fashionable boys in a boy band sort of thing. Again, couldn't be in a relationship with a TM because I like cocks not vag. And the voice thing. Even on T a transman's voice has a sort of distinctive scratchy artificial sound to it.

I do wish TM and TW luck in love and happiness everyone should have that, but unfortunately being trans does lower your dating pool, and it's just such high maintenance. Hard work for any partner.

So sick of this shit that I've signed up to Mumsnet especially to say.

NO.

No, I would not date a trans identified anybody.
No, I would not date any man who believes in trans ideology.

I also am not attracted to any woman (human females), any short man, any obese man, any man with a squeaky voice (I'm looking at you David Beckham), any man with a middling skin colour (sorry all Mediterranean, Arabic, lighter skinned black, entire Asian continent men but you just don't do it for me), any bisexual man (100% heterosexuals ONLY for me), any religious man, any political extremist (left or right) man and given the fucking Orange Order currently banging their drums and giving me a headache Old Firm fans can fuck off and all.

In short only heterosexual Northern European and West African origin men that don't annoy me men need apply. My body. My choice.

However, as a child of the 80s I find men in beards considerably weirder than men in make up. On condition those men are entirely comfortable being the men they are. And in my country the national dress for men is a skirt so no, clothes put me neither up nor down.

Why the hell should I or anyone have to justify our preferences? Get stuffed.

Smell is primal, instinctive, feral even. You may not really notice it but its there. Most people can smell a man or woman, dog, cat, horse etc. I love the smell of some people including my DP. I don't have a brilliant sense of smell but I can smell fear and blood separately and together. And usually I can tell if it's a man or woman by smell, presence, gait, mannerisms. Dont just need one sense to know.
I once walked into a public toilet, the only other woman there tensed up and relaxed when she saw me properly. I mention this because I was beyond skint at the time and looked like some old style tramp in my torn joggers, ancient trainers,too big mans coat and cap. Even to me I looked at first glance Male. (To add I was much depressed at the time and dressing at all and getting out the house was a huge achievement) so she either clocked my gait or smell or finally saw my face and stopped worrying.
And no I would not sleep with a trans person of either sex.

LassofFyfie, there definitely is a male and a fthiemale smell, even on someone scrupulously clean and even if they use perfumed products. It's just there and unmistakeable.

This thread has made me think that people a lot younger than me (I am in late sixties)t, are facing a lot of unpleasant pressure in the future, being made to feel bad for not wanting to partner up with a trans person when it is perfectly normal and natural not to fancy some people. It's a question of chemistry between two people. I know I would not have felt sexually attracted to a trans man because he/she is a woman and I'm a straight woman.

Bluerussian
LassofFyfie, there definitely is a male and a fthiemale smell, even on someone scrupulously clean and even if they use perfumed products. It's just there and unmistakeable

There might be for you but not for me. You can add as many "definitelys" as you want - still won't make it true. For me people smell of their own smells, clean, unwashed, sweaty, cheap perfume, expensive perfume.

Horses, sheep and cattle have a distinctive smell as do some dogs. My cats don't (litter trays aside). Their fur is soft and warm but has no particular smell

Good to meet you, ArnoldWhatshisknickers. Please hang around. This is the most vibrant feminist group in the anglophone world. There's been an explosion in the number of women accessing the Feminism board on Mumsnet as women become aware how gender ideology harms women and children.

Here's BarrackerBarmer's OP from last year:

Number of people entering the MN site via the Feminist Chat topic:

June 2016: 15,000
June 2018: 177,000

That's a TWELVE-FOLD increase.

And that's just people entering the MN site directly into femchat. Lots of people enter Mumsnet via other routes like active talk, and then navigate to the feminism boards next.

When I was young most of the men I slept with had long hair and some wore eyeliner. I still find that look attractive. But they were entirely male and enthusiastically heterosexual. Wouldn't have fancied them otherwise.

I think it's important to recognize that when a lesbian says no to a transwomen it's not because of her preferences which we all have, it's because of her sexuality I.e she is same sex attracted and that automatically excludes transwomen.

While it is important that women are able to say they can choose who they want to sleep with based on XYZ it's important not to reduce lesbian sexuality to "a preference".

That's a TWELVE-FOLD increase.
I can well believe it. I gave up Twitter because it's just too head-wrecking (for all sorts of reasons but the unfair, blatantly misogynistic management was the clincher). But the gender debate is one that just preys on you once you're aware of it. I needed somewhere I could see that other people are sane, I also wanted to keep track of how things are going - if anyone else has spoken up etc. That's why I'm here. I don't even have kids.

Could someone explain the idris Elba thing please?

men that don't annoy me

THIS IS MY ONE DATING RULE!

(And it rules out a good 90% of the cockwombles, however they identify.)

Welcome ArnoldWhatshisknickers. I like the cut of your jib!

You don't need to have kids, Mermoose. Lots of regulars don't. I do, but mine are far too old for most of the boards to be relevant. We get some blokes too. Some are lovely, though we get the tedious MRA/TRA types who erupt onto the board spitting venom and then crash 'n burn. The abuse they get away with everywhere else gets them banned sharpish here.

Can tell how effective this board is by the obsessive scrutiny FWR gets from TRAs. Nothing worse than women with opinions talking without male supervision.

QueQueQue

Could someone explain the idris Elba thing please?

Seconded!!!! Please?!?!?

Thirded!

forthed
What's he/she done?