"Would you date a trans person?" Mostly, no. So you're basically killing them.

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www.westernjournal.com/study-claims-transgenders-suffering-straight-people-arent-dating/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons&fbclid=IwAR3CCd-QbUiftS3m57Zf8KLHAE309pl3HzHmwNqKjv1IHrc3ODC76wm3PdY

Is anyone surprised by the result?
But: it's simply transphobia. People need to wake up.
Biological men and women who need to get with the times. Just like white people wouldn't date people of colour back in the day,
... it is not until the straight community begins dating transgenders at a higher rate that Western civilization will truly show itself to be accepting and safe for the LGBT community.

“(I)t is one thing to make space for diverse gender identities within our workplaces, schools, washrooms and public spaces,” Blair wrote. “But it is another to fully include and accept gender diversity within our families and romantic relationships.

So, now that they've won the loos and prisons and hospitals, the next goal is in sight... and it's US.
People, prepare for girldick etc.

By ' date' does this mean have sex with them? I wouldn't have sex with the following:

Someone with a beard
Someone much older than me
Someone who has a gender identity crisis

But just as previous research was done on the acceptance of different races into the American culture and dating pool, Blair argues her research will serve to illuminate the underlying “prejudice” that leads the straight community to find transgenders unattractive.

Oh my actual fucking god. This is really gross. Also it is not about attractiveness you bell end.

I can see another angle, a less guilt tripping rape-y one. People having physical surgery to treat a social issue, need to give proper informed consent which covers both the physical and the social. You will need drugs, you will be infertile, you will have a much smaller dating pool, you will be unlikely to pass... do you still agree. honesty needs to be a part of this, not the idea that society will "catch up with the progressive and superior way you see the world."

If vulnerable people are being lied to, told they will be actual men/women, that we can just stick a uterus in, that they will be glamorous and attractive - that is wrong and really sad for them.

Idris - thought it was just me . The man's a monster

Who could be arsed being with anyone so obsessed with appearance or who has to spend hours getting ready
It was reported that the male who won prom queen took 6 hours to get ready. Honestly life is too short
And that's apart from self obsession. A high %of trans people seem to have nothing else to talk about, or the ones I've met don't.

"Also it is not about attractiveness you bell end."

It might be to some extent. Unattractive people do have a harder time getting dates in many cases than very good looking people. And it is difficult for a lot of trans persons to pass, and relatedly that can affect their attractiveness is perceived as well.

No one seems to care much though about people who don't get much sex because they are ugly.

I suspect there's a correlation here with the online trans spaces popular with people (mostly males) who are newly trans identifying. Reddit being a prime example.

They offer constant affirmation that a person looks totally passable/like a super hot girlie girl etc...even if said person is 6ft 5 with a five o' clock shadow.

Unlike the more rigid, counselling based approach transsexuals used to have to undertake what we have now is a bunch of people brainwashed into believing up is down because a selfie of them in their sister's Hello Kitty t-shirt got 1000 up votes.

I recognise there were issues with the old process but there was at least an opportunity for physicians to talk frankly about the pitfalls of 'changing sex' and what was realistic.

Two words: eliot fletcher. Ooft.

Straight lass here and never really thought about whether or not I would have dated a transman or not (because I've never actually met one that I know of) but i'd date Elliot fletcher that's for sure. You fancy what you fancy and i bet a lot of the people that say no to that question, it's possibly because they've never had reason to consider it. I guess it is sad that they just assume they wouldn't but, heck, fifteen twenty years ago I wouldn't have thought I would date outside my race (because there was no one in my area that wasn't white so i never thought there would be the opportunity. So it wasnt even a consideration). Times change. People change. Sexual preferences change.

But no, people not fancying trans people is not 'basically killing them'. Their body dysmorphia and not being allowed to transition might be but how is having difficulty finding people to date (if they do) any different from your regular 'ugly' or 'spotty' or 'boring' person not being able to find someone to date? It sucks but people fancy what they fancy when and if they fancy it and that's all there is to it.

I know of a woman who did this, went out with a transman even though she's straight. She was very woke, very TWAW. She fancied someone she thought was a guy and the person turned out to be a pre-op transman on testosterone. When she found out she thought she'd be transphobic if she backed out. They ended up living together for about a year. It never worked but she'd convinced herself that she'd be a terrible person if she left. Eventually they did break up. It seems like both she and the transman were just horribly depressed by the whole thing.
She's a grown woman, in her thirties. If an adult can end up in that situation because of this kind of guilt-tripping nonsense, imagine how many teenagers will be trying to ignore their own instincts for the sake of someone else's feelings.

Idris Elba is literally killing me

He's a mass murderer.

Pol Pot has nothing on that guy.

And Idris just gets away with the genocide. Even rubs our faces in it by getting married. To a woman.

Shows the state of this country in 2019.

I've had a post deleted because it broke the talk guidelines. To me, it seemed fairly innocent but I guess feelings were hurt. Oh well. This whole thread is probably very hurtful.

Do ugly people suffer too then? ARe we literally killing ugly people by opting for attractive partners?

Don’t most people through their romantic /dating history reject more people from their dating pool than they would consider just because of .....reasons.

And that should be that surely because otherwise aren’t we denying people the option to refuse choice and consent and isn’t that getting a bit erm like rape??

Incel

OMG the comments there. That is what actual transphobia looks like.

And it's still not killing anyone!

Don’t most people through their romantic /dating history reject more people from their dating pool than they would consider just because of .....reasons

I was going to post who the mass exclusions from my potential dating pool would be and it made me sound horrible. Basically on purely physical looks white, Northern European men. And then men who have no or very weak religious beliefs , whose politics are moderate centre left or centre right and in my social class. And anyone who prefers sport over the arts need not bother applying either.

As for dealing with another person's vagina- sorry but yuk.

I demand that Jason Momoa date me. I don't care that I'm probably not his type, he's a bigot if he doesn't fancy me. Is this how it works?

eek! I may get deleted for that. Even though it's true.

No one seems to care much though about people who don't get much sex because they are ugly.

That's the crossover with incel thinking. That philosophy has a great deal of anger regarding women making choices about sexual partners and excluding men for reasons of their declining to wash or their misogynistic behaviour for example. Entitlement to sex and the need for compulsion, (discussions around government compulsion) on uppity women to provide it is writ large.

I don't think making the 'unnatural' or 'won't advance evolution' argument is a good idea here- I absolutely agree that people have the right to choose who they do and don't want to date and define their own preferences, but the 'unnatural' argument hits a little close to home for me as a lesbian. The fact that gay relationships inherently won't end in reproduction has been a historically significant part of our discrimation.

Why must I date a trans? No. Just no.

Don't you just date who you fancy?
I wouldn't date a 99 year old or a 19 year old, I wouldn't date a trans, nor an obese person, someone with tattoos
There's nothing wrong with any of them, just not my type.
The world has gone mad.

This comment from the article just about sums things up.

Maybe they should just date each other and figure it out how it’ll work. They’ve forced us in our workplaces, bathrooms, etc., but they can’t force us TO DATE THEM!

So, this is my red line in a nutshell.

Despite being gender-critical and, from a TRA perspective, arguably an evil TERF witch, I actually have a lot of patience and empathy for people's sense of self and of personal identity. I actually get that you might have been born with a male body but, for whichever reason, may feel you're really more of a woman. Or a not-man. Or anything in between. It makes things horribly complicated in terms of trying to be as fair and kind as possible to people with fundamentally incompatible needs and desires - but it is what it is, and surely the best response is to be pragmatic and do right by as many folks as much of rhe time as humanly possible.

But, no, categorically not when it comes to dating and sex!!!

Much to the chagrin of my radfem mum (and, rationally speaking, my own) I'm strictly heterosexual. More specifically, I really like tall men, fancy broad shoulders and blond hair with blue eyes and a sporty physique and, in practice, have been known to fall head over heels for a short, dark bloke over the spitting image of what I have just described sitting right next to him.

Call it biology. There are people you meet and think "I'd pay my annual salary for the chance to rip your clothes off right here and now" and there are blokes who'll run after you for two years and who are seemingly perfect on paper but there's no spark. Trust me, I'm sort of an accidental expert. I once committed the near fatal mistake of marrying one of the latter and it resulted in both of us being utterly miserable for a decade plus.

Sorry, you get to be as racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, ageist, ableist and any other kind of prejudiced that you can think of as you like when it comes to sex and dating. If a bloke being shorter than me is a deal-breaker for me, then it is. If I don't feel attracted to men not my intellectual equal then I'm not.

There is literally no such thing as a requirement to feel attracted to - never mind actually get physically involved with - anybody else on the grounds of fairness, social justice or anything of the sort. Your preferences might not make you a great person. Mine certainly don't make me one.

But it's incredibly rapey to say anything else. Nobody's entitled to sexual or romantic attraction from others. That's just breathtakingly creepy!!!