"Would you date a trans person?" Mostly, no. So you're basically killing them.

[Lamaha]

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Is anyone surprised by the result?
But: it's simply transphobia. People need to wake up.
Biological men and women who need to get with the times. Just like white people wouldn't date people of colour back in the day,
... it is not until the straight community begins dating transgenders at a higher rate that Western civilization will truly show itself to be accepting and safe for the LGBT community.

“(I)t is one thing to make space for diverse gender identities within our workplaces, schools, washrooms and public spaces,” Blair wrote. “But it is another to fully include and accept gender diversity within our families and romantic relationships.

So, now that they've won the loos and prisons and hospitals, the next goal is in sight... and it's US.
People, prepare for girldick etc.

The madness never fucking ends does it. I am heterosexual. I like men. I like cock. Women do not have penises. I am not attracted to women. I don't want to have sex with women. Or men who think they are women because, well, I'll get banned if I say what I want to, so just a big no will have to suffice.

Between this twattery, the climate crisis, brexit and boris Johnson, we are going to Hell in a hand basket on a ticket than none of us have purchased.

So we have to accept their decisions and preferences but we aren't allowed our own?

I'd never date a sexist.

Belief that the categories of "man" and "woman" are inextricably linked to personalities or feelings is sexist.

So nope. Doesn't matter what they look like on the outside. Might be devastatingly attractive but the inside is rotten.

That bastard Aidan Turner is killing me
So selfish

I wonder how many trans people the author has dated?

If you are heterosexual there is also the procreation aspect. OK you may date a bloke who turns out to be infertile, but that is different to choosing to date someone who is infertile from the start because they are also female.
If you are lesbian you know that will happen, if hetero why date a transman when there are plenty of men?

I follow a lesbian on social media (a hobby connection) and she has some out VERY pro-trans.
However she is in a relationship with a biological woman. I would love to ask how she feels about a female penis. I get the feeling she wouldn’t go down this route

LetsSplashMummy

*I can see another angle, a less guilt tripping rape-y one. People having physical surgery to treat a social issue, need to give proper informed consent which covers both the physical and the social. You will need drugs, you will be infertile, you will have a much smaller dating pool, you will be unlikely to pass... do you still agree. honesty needs to be a part of this, not the idea that society will "catch up with the progressive and superior way you see the world."

If vulnerable people are being lied to, told they will be actual men/women, that we can just stick a uterus in, that they will be glamorous and attractive - that is wrong and really sad for them.*

I can tell you now, at least where I live, no-one is tellling teens and young people these things straight up. Except for me, but I am TERF- mummy. You can bet your bottom dollar I told my kid that transtioning would radically reduce the pool of people available to him to get to know, date, be in a relationship with...and that's not due to prejudice. I told him that the vast majority of people would be a hard no, some men would be chasers, and other than that, there would be a tiny % of others who would consider him. But is his psychiatrist telling him this stuff ?

Oh no. No no no. Only mum gets the fun job of talking to her son about how taking hormones and having surgery on his testicles and penis will make his infertile, unhealthy over the long term, and unattractive as a partner to most other people.

The flipping irony re the article:

As a straight woman, I find men who dress and present outside gender norms very attractive. Think Bowie rather than P Bunce :)

I am 100% down with breaking gender norms of presentation. Go for it!

It's the denial of reality that is soooo unattractive. I don't want anything to do with a male who insists that presenting in a gender non-conforming manner makes him a woman. Because that shit is exhausting.

No I would not date a trans person - so many reasons:

1. I'm not attracted to men pretending to be women. I like manly looking men and the way men smell and sound.

1. Their issues with their identity - too big to take on

1. I like penises.

1. I also find it disturbing that some of them are so feminised, they're more stereotypically feminine than barbie

1. Some trans men (mainly TRAs) are misogynists

Could go on. Sorry.

"My husband thinks it oddly amusing that I bury my nose in his armpit when we're cuddled up in bed."

@powershowerforanhour

I've done this too with my ex partner but he thought it was weird not amusing :) Couldn't get enough of his armpit smell. Lol. Totally agree with everything you said about smell.

I don't remember when the L&G in LGBT mattered, that straight people were told we had to have same sex relationships lest it make us lesbophobic/homophobic and the L&G people sad.

Funny how trans, which seems so much about breaking down women's boundaries, also demands that we break down our sexual boundaries in order to keep them happy. It's all about their feelings, everybody else is an audience or a prop.

I’m straight. Trans men aren’t men they’re women who’ve taken a shit tonne of testosterone and have developed some Male characteristics as a result. They’re still women though and I’m straight

It’s rape culture pressuring people to have sex with someone they don’t want to

It's never going happen. At the end of the day people get together with eye on procreating. It's not possible the natural way with transgenders. Acceptance in society is one thing but it being the normal in relationships is another thing.

Speaking of instincts, an example: I was on a bus a few months back and there was someone nearby who was a transwoman. We eventually ended up sitting next to each other to allow a family to sit together and the one thing I couldn't help notice was the masculine smell. Indisputably male. I noticed that I noticed it. I noticed that I noticed the way this person moved before I even looked at them properly.

As others have said, this input isn't intended to be hurtful. It's honest. I mention it only because I don't think males have any idea just how many instinctive things happen when women are around men. Their shape, the way they move, or sound, the smell. It's recognisable instantly. You pick up things before a person has even opened their mouth or before you've even looked at them.

I think what I'm trying to say is that your instincts make decisions before your mind has a chance to intervene sometimes.

It's never going happen. At the end of the day people get together with eye on procreating. It's not possible the natural way with transgenders. Acceptance in society is one thing but it being the normal in relationships is another thing.

They’ll just do womb transplants - don’t you know that’s dead easy, we’re just like Lego, just slot it in! (I don’t know where they think the fantasy sperm is coming from for trans men though)

Speaking of instincts, an example: I was on a bus a few months back and there was someone nearby who was a transwoman. We eventually ended up sitting next to each other to allow a family to sit together and the one thing I couldn't help notice was the masculine smell. Indisputably male. I noticed that I noticed it. I noticed that I noticed the way this person moved before I even looked at them properly

I really don't get this at all. People smell of soap, or perfume or cologne (some lovely, some less so) or unwashed or sweaty but male or female smell? I have never noticed this.

Trans meet incels. Given the sheer amount of misogyny pumped out by each group, I am amazed it's taken for date entitlement to happen.

Trans meet incels

Sounds like a Channel 5 reality show. Hosted by India Willoughby.

Lily Madigan and Jessica Yaniv on a blind date with cameras in tow. Two self-identifying lesbians with so much in common. What could go wrong?

I wouldn't date a transman, no. I'm heterosexual, I have no interest in a same sex relationship. Deal with it.

Some people have more sensitive noses than others. I have a pretty poor sense of smell (which I had never really realised until my DP commented on it because I couldn't pick up loads of smells that he could) and am not sure that I could tell the difference between a male and a female body on smell alone, especially if it was masked by soap or perfume.

However, I am 100% sure that a dog could. Which is to say, I am 100% there is a difference that can be detected if your nose is good enough. Humans are nowhere near dogs, of course, but I don't find it hard to believe that some people can consciously pick up on male and female scents. Probably even more do so on a subconscious level.

The smell thing might not be conscious but it’s there. There have been studies of people’s ability to detect fear in sweat pads from skydivers and horror movie viewers. The amygdala and hypothalamus is more active when compared against smelling pads from sweat from controls. And as mentioned above, smell attracts us towards those with immunities different from ourselves so our children have a better chance of surviving. As ‘civilised’ beings we try to mask or eliminate body odours but we care still unconsciously manipulated by what we can’t see.

I don't think making the 'unnatural' or 'won't advance evolution' argument is a good idea here- I absolutely agree that people have the right to choose who they do and don't want to date and define their own preferences, but the 'unnatural' argument hits a little close to home for me as a lesbian. The fact that gay relationships inherently won't end in reproduction has been a historically significant part of our discrimation.

It's an explanation rather than saying what people ought to do or not do. Because we are evolved to be attracted to male or female sexual characteristics, a person who is a mix will not send the right signals. You just can't expect that there would be a lot of people who would be attracted to that.

Evolution ia also why most people are heterosexual, in a species with a pretty low number of births per female if we weren't mostly inclined toward procreative sex we'd not get far as a species.

Well, good luck to them "encouraging " men to date transwomen with dicks.

My sense of smell is definitely my most honed sense. Smell definitely has a lot to do with sexual attractiveness. And I’m not attracted to female bodied people. Any whiff of female traits in a man is a big turn off.

They’ll just do womb transplants - don’t you know that’s dead easy, we’re just like Lego, just slot it in! (I don’t know where they think the the fantasy sperm is coming from for trans men though)

As long as the former eventually “works”, why should the latter matter? This whole thing is governed by male ego. And when womb transplants are possible, ethically, who will be further up the transplantation list, women, who are missing a uterus/have with a non-functioning uterus or transwomen??