"Would you date a trans person?" Mostly, no. So you're basically killing them.

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Is anyone surprised by the result?
But: it's simply transphobia. People need to wake up.
Biological men and women who need to get with the times. Just like white people wouldn't date people of colour back in the day,
... it is not until the straight community begins dating transgenders at a higher rate that Western civilization will truly show itself to be accepting and safe for the LGBT community.

“(I)t is one thing to make space for diverse gender identities within our workplaces, schools, washrooms and public spaces,” Blair wrote. “But it is another to fully include and accept gender diversity within our families and romantic relationships.

So, now that they've won the loos and prisons and hospitals, the next goal is in sight... and it's US.
People, prepare for girldick etc.

Whining about rejection is soooo sexy.

It definitely sounds like incel rhetoric. Nobody owes any other person a date, sex, or a relationship. It's as if they think consent is the default, and withdrawing it is bigoted. That isn't how it works.

If someone feels suicidal because they can't find a partner, that's sad for them. The solution is for them to get therapy. Not to try to guilt-trip others into dating them.

I wouldn't date a narc.

I had a long meeting a few days ago with a Trans person. A Trans woman. She was a very attractive person. I really liked her, funny, kind, intelligent, fab body with lots of great men’s body features, and women’s too. If I didn’t more time with her we’d have a laugh, and she is the kind of person I would rnjy bring friends with.

She has a mostly male body. She hasn’t had ‘bottom surgery ‘ (she told me). But I just would never fancy her because her presentation is feminine / female / womanly.

I have socialised with Trans Men. Same thing: the presentation just doesn’t do it for me, the body just isn’t male.

Oddly, maybe, I do sometimes fancy lesbian women. If they are wiry and tomboyish and have a wicked sense of humour, and give off s ‘glint ‘.

You can’t channel your lusts and physical attractions according to political correctness.

I haven't 'dated' for years and don't particularly have any interest in doing so. Does this make me genocidal then?

I don't know how older me will feel (should I ever end up single again, I'm married now) but younger me would've been pretty much disinterested in trans men from the off given I wanted a family and an active hetero sex life. There are things you figure out pretty quickly about people which affect the way you look at them, and you discount them from your potential interest list on that basis. It can be anything. Not just transness. Dating is by nature pretty ruthless and exclusive.

Different story if you meet someone, fall in love and then find out, but even if you can get past the lack of honesty on their part that sort of complete life upside down impact might leave you feeling different anyway. You'd feel like you never truly knew them at all.

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Whining about rejection is soooo sexy.

My ex-husband sure thought so.

Or, actually, he was just kind of a selfish, narcissistic arsehole who didn't give a fuck whether or not I was up for it so long as he got "his" sex.

To his eternal surprise and nobody else's, this was a major factor in me walking out on him.

Whinging and guilt-tripping are two of the most categorically unsexy attributes in anyone.

I once split up with someone because he wore shorts.. shoes.. and socks. He'd always looked ok until that warm day in May. Sexual attraction went as quickly as that.

The attempted suicide rate ranges from 29.9 to 50.8 percent among transgender adolescents according to a paper released by the American Academy of Pediatrics in 2018 — research often cited by even the most ardent LGBT advocacy groups

I found the wording really weird on this. "Cited by even the most ardent LGBT advocacy groups". Surely they are the most likely to claim it?!

On the actual thread subject: is anyone surprised? We knew this was coming. The real question is has the indoctrinating of the woke been thorough enough to prevent the majority from objecting? Many men will disagree but most won't do anything other than laugh as they won't feel the intimidation and it wouldn't occur to them that some will. A lot will agree in principle
with the article but just "happen" to not be in a situation where they will face the choice.

So what we are looking for are people who not only see the ridiculousness but see how people will be abused by it and have the interest and drive to speak out without being afraid of being ostracised for not being sufficiently woke. So a bit of a tall order!

On the actual thread subject: is anyone surprised? We knew this was coming. The real question is has the indoctrinating of the woke been thorough enough to prevent the majority from objecting?

Why do you think young people are the main target of the gender identity ideology?

What's transphobic about wanting to be in a relationship with someone with an actual penis, not a manufactured one?

I was thinking about this earlier today, wondering if trans people are having any proper counselling before deciding to trans, and being advised about all the hurt feelings and lack of sex that are awaiting.

Pretty sure that such a thing would count as "conversion therapy".

Ultimately, we’re mammals, we have mammalian instincts.

A mix up of primary and secondary sex characteristics isn’t going to appeal to most mammals, because on the very rare occasions it might occur in the animal kingdom, it would likely indicate infertility.

I wouldn't be interested in dating a transman or a transwoman, I only like men who present as masculine. Like even with David Bowie, although I was a fan I didn't like the whole man dress thing, though there's nothing wrong with cross dressing of course, it's just a turn off to me.
Not only that, but some trans people seem to think that no one will actually notice, well that might conceivably be possible if it's in the dark and there's no foreplay, but I've never had sex like that. I'd expect to be familiar with every bit of my partners body before we had sex. I just think it's quite strange.

Throughout history, have lesbians of the female sex ever pressured straight women of the female sex into sleeping with them, using emotional blackmail and terms like "exclusionary" etc telling straight women that they just need to get over their genital hang ups etc?

Or no penis at all Queen.

Re: the therapy thing it would presumably be a lot easier for them if somebody sat them down and explained that the vast majority of people are attracted to opposite sex, a good number are attracted to the same sex and some are attracted to both. All of them will have sexual things they like best (and least) about opposite or same sex. Things which affect sexual attraction. Doing a mash up just confuses people and in a ruthless high stakes situation, confusion is definitely enough to put you off the list.

There are some people who love the confusion though. Find them and stop telling everybody else off for following their own instincts. If you don't find them attractive, suck it up, and let it be a learning experience. Then you might get where most other people are coming from.

All of which has just been explained in a much better, clearer and more succinct way by DuMonde 😄

No. I like slightly feminine looking men, but that is far as I would go. I would never want to sleep with a woman or someone who was a man and is now a woman; it all seems too weird.

feelingverylazy I can't believe that idea works with anyone who has ever been in a relationship. Drunken (very) or chemically fuelled one night stand? Maybe. But never in any other situation.

Unless it's your first time. I suppose there's that.

There is nothing I could do to make myself sexually attracted to any transperson. They are simply never going to have the type of body that I want.
There are lots of people who I would reject sexually because they don't fit my sexual desires.

I was thinking about this earlier today, wondering if trans people are having any proper counselling before deciding to trans, and being advised about all the hurt feelings and lack of sex that are awaiting.

I knew someone who followed the traditional method of sex change several years ago. They had to live a year dressing as a woman etc.
However after the operation it seemed to be a total and utter shock to her that young heterosexual men were not gagging to shag her. I think the whole thing was a massive disappointment. They literally thought a vagina meant men would want to shag her.
Unfortunately we were not close enough to point out regardless of their change they were still fat, middle aged and bald, not the usual choice for young males, even with a vagina.

A timely review in THES:
Susan Matthews is unimpressed by an attempt to rethink our understanding of biological sex, gender and identity
www.timeshighereducation.com/books/gender-fluid-primer-21st-century-sally-hines-Thames-and-Hudson?fbclid=IwAR1noNM0Rqb6cpdOOYEIO4UNo6xztdlaHAsJX9vklVNupSBS6USZdXttrhg

Whoops wrong thread

Or no penis at all

The idea of this bothers me. As does that of a "penis" made of forearm. The notion is horribly unsexy.

And I'm truly sorry if this is hurtful to anyone. I don't mean for it to be.

But, as DuMondeB points out, I guess I'm ultimately just a heterosexual, female mammal. All politics and feminist ideology aside.

I like kissing men and snuggling up to them and coming to realise that they've got one massive erection. It's silly, but I suspect I'm wired for it in a way that goes beyond my rational self. I'd be disappointed at a partner having to push the button for it to happen. And, stupid as I realise this is, I'd feel as though I'd somehow failed as a sexual partner if he didn't respond that way.

And, yes, I realise I'm outing myself as someone who's never had a sexual partner with ED. I have friends who have and have done my best to empathise and realised in the process that, yes, I'd be secretly disappointed.

I'm probably kind of a horrible individual for this but, to me, sex has ideally got to be somewhat primal. It's an individual preference. But then again, I think I get to have these when the other party literally gets to invade my physical body. Better make it worth my time!

I'm attracted to typical male characteristics: male jaw, male voice, strong sexy man-hands, arms and shoulders.

If I get close enough, I notice what they smell like. Big time. Not aftershave or soap, but their own body. The men I've been most sexually attracted to have smelt the best to me, and very distinctive. I bet if you gave each of them a plain white T shirt and got them to wear it for a day, then handed me the shirts at the end I could identify the wearers, even 10 or 20 years later. My husband thinks it oddly amusing that I bury my nose in his armpit when we're cuddled up in bed. I think it's supposed to be something to do with immune systems complementing each other giving the best chance of children with good all round immune systems. So what smells sexy to me might not to another straight woman. Can you trans somebody's pheromones, do you think? (Or smell if not technically pheromones).