"Would you date a trans person?" Mostly, no. So you're basically killing them.

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Is anyone surprised by the result?
But: it's simply transphobia. People need to wake up.
Biological men and women who need to get with the times. Just like white people wouldn't date people of colour back in the day,
... it is not until the straight community begins dating transgenders at a higher rate that Western civilization will truly show itself to be accepting and safe for the LGBT community.

“(I)t is one thing to make space for diverse gender identities within our workplaces, schools, washrooms and public spaces,” Blair wrote. “But it is another to fully include and accept gender diversity within our families and romantic relationships.

So, now that they've won the loos and prisons and hospitals, the next goal is in sight... and it's US.
People, prepare for girldick etc.

AFAIK

A lot posters want to date Idris Elba. He cannot/will not/is blissfully unaware.

Under the current trans-think, he is literally killing them.

Idris Elba is frequently seen (on mumsnet) as the hottest man alive. The fact he isn't dating the people commenting is literally killing them, he even had the cheek to pick one woman to marry.

Ah, too slow.

Phew, thought he'd done something wrong. I love him

Thank you for the welcome sane people.

I think it's important to recognize that when a lesbian says no to a transwomen it's not because of her preferences which we all have, it's because of her sexuality I.e she is same sex attracted and that automatically excludes transwomen.

I certainly wouldn't suggest otherwise given the endless shit lesbians get.

However lesbians also have the right to exclude transmen who are compatible with their orientation if they wish and heterosexual women have the right to exclude transwomen who are compatible with ours.

Everyone has the right to exclude trans people because they are trans, just as we are all free to exclude any other ideological grouping we damn well please. Incompatible beliefs rarely make for a happy relationship.

@ArnoldWhatshisknickers

That's true, you can exclude people just on the basis they're trans. Or because you don't like their accent or for any reason. I just wanted to point out that having a particular sexuality automatically excludes certain people and there should be no questions asked.

I just mention this because of the cotton ceiling debacle and the persistent shaming of lesbian sexuality by transwomen

On smell...

I have a killer sense of smell, I am also Bi. Barring uncleanliness and diseases that produce odor natural smells vary in intensity and range.

I love to bury my face in my DH's armpits sans deodorant... his natural smell is intoxicating (even with a clean sweat). Previous male partner natural smells were a turn-off. But his smell takes me back in time to the beginning of our life together to now - comforting at times and arousing most others, his armpit smell is magical. Male genital smells are not a turn-on IMO but DH's is not repulsive like every other guy I slept with - DH's works for me. I could pick him out of a smell lineup very easily.

All of my female partner's smells were tantalizing except one. From armpits to ladybits each of us have our own brand of natural fragrance. The women who were active and ate healthy always smelled best.

Here's the thing... male smell is a male, female smell is female. MTF may have surgical bits that look convincing but they likely will not smell convincing... lack of self cleaning genitals I think would give them away even if the rest of their body is cloaked in fragrance. Same goes for FTM... a surgically created member is likely not going to smell male. To each their own - some may find the opposite mix of smells and genitals arousing, just not my cup of tea.

Smell is an important part of romantic chemistry IMO.

TruthOnTrial

"fanny gallops"

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I'm sending you my ENT bill as my infected sinus just had a coffee flush thanks to you... DH thought I was choking to death lol. Thanks for the hearty laugh!

Phew, thought he'd done something wrong.

Me too! I think is a very talented actor and I was worried for a minute I'd have to drop him like my Converse.

he is

However lesbians also have the right to exclude transmen who are compatible with their orientation if they wish and heterosexual women have the right to exclude transwomen who are compatible with ours.

I think lesbians have the right to exclude blondes or brunettes or redheads if they want, or short women, or tall women, or fat or thin.

Basically, nobody owes you the ‘right’ for everyone else to find you attractive. Whether somebody else finds you attractive is entirely their affair.

@AlwaysComingHome

Sorry to bang on. Of course we all have the right to exclude whoever we want for whatever reason. But what I think I'm trying to say is we shouldn't diminish a sexuality by reducing it to a simple preference.

So being same sex attracted ( which automatically excludes all males) is not really the same as excluding short people or blondes

I just think it's really important for transwomen to understand that they are by default excluded from dating lesbians and it's not about the "dating preferences" of those lesbians, it's because they're same sex attracted

Ricky Martin must have killed me in the 90’s. How dare he be gay and turn me into a corpse.

I wouldn't date someone with mental health problems or whom I didn't find attractive or who didn't earn what I did or who didn't have my educational level. We all have filters and the fact I wouldn't date someone without a penis or whatever is just part of a whole load of assortive mating things. Many trans people have mental health issues. I wouldn't date anyone with a mental health issue ergo they are for me best avoided.

Interesting how it’s ok here to ask about some protected characteristics and not others.

And to the person with asd son who called me a revolting specimen, I have a diagnosis of mild asd myself. So? What do you want a pat on the back and a cookie.

I wouldn’t date a trans man. I like my men to be actual men, with male genitalia. I accept that others have different tastes, so each to their own. but don’t tell me what I should be doing with my body.

What are you saying, Fieldofgreycorn? I've re-read your post several times and I haven't got a clue.

This is your first post on the thread but you speak as though it's a follow up. And no one's mentioned ASD. Are you on the wrong thread?

I just think it's really important for transwomen to understand that they are by default excluded from dating lesbians and it's not about the "dating preferences" of those lesbians, it's because they're same sex attracted

But they don't want to accept that, do they? And that's the problem, it seems. Sexual acceptance by women would be the ultimate validation. And it's not happening. And will never happening.
And that's where the whole TWAW slogan falls flat.

I think it's important to recognize that when a lesbian says no to a transwomen it's not because of her preferences which we all have, it's because of her sexuality I.e she is same sex attracted and that automatically excludes transwomen.

Precisely.

My body reacts only to other biological females. It doesn't react to men at all. The most I could ever learn to do is tolerate being sexually used by a man while supporting his pleasure.

Thing is, what about mine? I'm not a service drone. I wasn't created to make men happy. Throughout time, patriarchal groups have redefined what makes women socially acceptable in order to make women more useful and pleasant to men's interests. Patriarchy: a system in which men make the rules and women are allowed only to be participants on men's terms. This whole Queer Culture/ Trans Ideology stuff is as patriarchal as fuck.

So when someone tells me I should train myself to overcome my body's exclusive reactions to women - what's in that for me? Nothing. Except being a Good Girl. To a patriarchal group. Who see me and my body as there only to provide men with what they need and require me to put them first in all things. And sex is framed as something that men get to enjoy and where men get to have their choices and feelings and needs and desires respected and centred - but women don't.

This is batshit. The answer is a hearty fuck off, the 8th century is over and it isn't coming back mate. And anyone who treats women like this is going to be waiting for a shag, never mind a relationship, for a very, very long time.

Prawn I believe talking about another thread is not allowed so I’ll leave that there. My mistake.

@Michelleoftheresistance

Yes it's either a total inability to fathom that women have an independent sexuality or (most likely) it's total rapiness.
In ideology it's similar to the suspension of belief that is required when you pay someone for sex. Which is why feminists don't really think you can call "paid for " sex sex at all

It is certainly not unusual for women to find men astounded they will not date them or don't like them, Very important women can choose and we all have things that matter to us.

Eg I would not want a man who was left wing or wasn't very bright, all kinds of tihngs matter. I want someone with the same 100% physical and mental health as I have and I would not date a fat man or someone who does not speak in the way I do.