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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"Would you date a trans person?" Mostly, no. So you're basically killing them.

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Lamaha · 28/06/2019 16:52

www.westernjournal.com/study-claims-transgenders-suffering-straight-people-arent-dating/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons&fbclid=IwAR3CCd-QbUiftS3m57Zf8KLHAE309pl3HzHmwNqKjv1IHrc3ODC76wm3PdY

Is anyone surprised by the result?
But: it's simply transphobia. People need to wake up.
Biological men and women who need to get with the times. Just like white people wouldn't date people of colour back in the day,
... it is not until the straight community begins dating transgenders at a higher rate that Western civilization will truly show itself to be accepting and safe for the LGBT community.

“(I)t is one thing to make space for diverse gender identities within our workplaces, schools, washrooms and public spaces,” Blair wrote. “But it is another to fully include and accept gender diversity within our families and romantic relationships.

So, now that they've won the loos and prisons and hospitals, the next goal is in sight... and it's US.
People, prepare for girldick etc.

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LizzieSiddal · 28/06/2019 17:06

They’ve been telling lesbians that for a while. I’m glad they’ve broadened their reach.
It’s only when men realise what they’re being told to do, that they sit up, take notice and tell them to fuck the fuck off.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 28/06/2019 17:08

I was pondering that just today - when a few of the wokey type chaos start having ‘interesting encounters’ they won’t be so right on will they?

JellySlice · 28/06/2019 17:08

it is not until the straight community begins dating transgenders at a higher rate that Western civilization will truly show itself to be accepting and safe for the LGBT community.

Curious how being dated 'at a higher rate' has not made civilisation any safer for women Hmm

nauticant · 28/06/2019 17:15

I can't save never to the idea of dating a trans person of the opposite sex. Although if they showed any TRA tendencies that would be a deal breaker.

NettleTea · 28/06/2019 17:16

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zafferana · 28/06/2019 17:17

I can see that this would be a problem and it's hardly rocket science. I'm straight. I like men. Would I want to date a transman? No way, for the same reason that I don't date women - I'm not attracted to them! And why would I need to when half the population are actual real biological men?

Lamaha · 28/06/2019 17:20

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zafferana · 28/06/2019 17:24

I agree. Transgenderism seems to me to be a form of body dysphoria that's suddenly en vogue, but why are straight people being called out for their 'prejudice' on this? You're attracted to what you're attracted to and most people in the world are straight. If they weren't, then human beings would've died out eons ago! It's just biology.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 28/06/2019 17:25

Why would anyone enter a relationship with someone with identity issues so strong they can't accept their own anatomy

yeah. plus as a straight woman, I presume the author of the article expects me to want to date biological females. who by definition won't have functioning penises. which is the way I like to have sex. so it's a no from me

Kashali · 28/06/2019 17:26

I like my men with cocks and my women with the vaginas they were born with.
Don't care what others like and hold no prejudice or wish anyone any harm.

DodoPatrol · 28/06/2019 17:28

No thanks, for the same reason I wouldn't date someone with any other strong religious/spiritual conviction. I don't want to dance around massive areas of disagreement all the time in my personal life.

Juells · 28/06/2019 17:28

I was thinking about this earlier today, wondering if trans people are having any proper counselling before deciding to trans, and being advised about all the hurt feelings and lack of sex that are awaiting.

The BBC documentary linked on here a few weeks ago really brought home the fact that some people haven't thought it through, that they're unlikely to pass, and naturally get shocked and upset when reality hits and people laugh and catcall at them in the street :(

TimeLady · 28/06/2019 17:29

I read this today: (from the Guardian, 2012)

www.theguardian.com/society/2012/nov/02/my-husbands-sex-change

My guess is that most of the public would be more empathetic to the wife in this article than the disadvantages of a reduced dating pool.

Goosefoot · 28/06/2019 17:29

Millions of years of evolution have directed us to be attracted to certain types of secondary sexual characteristics. Which ultimately are quite difficult to convincingly mimic on the opposite sex. Whether or not it is fair.

Juells · 28/06/2019 17:30

Study Claims Transgenders Suffering Because Straight People Aren’t Dating Them

That's a shocking headline, blaming 'straight people' for having a sexual orientation.

Dervel · 28/06/2019 17:32

Conventional wisdom if your single for whatever reason you should love yourself and not be defined by your relationship status. Not massively convinced why that should be any different for trans people. External validation is an unhealthy source to prop up any psyche with.

LittleFairywren · 28/06/2019 17:34

I wouldn't date a trans person no. I firmly believe that gender stereotypes should be dismantled and as trans people rely heavily on the stereotypes to validate their identity then our world views are so far apart that they can never be reconciled. There are a lot of other types of people I also wouldn't date for those reasons. Someone who was extremely religious as one example.

aposterhasnoname · 28/06/2019 17:35

I wouldn’t date someone who smoked, or who had young children, or took drugs, or was heavily religious. I can say this anytime, anywhere, and no one bats an eyelid. But if I say I wouldn’t date a trans person.......

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 28/06/2019 17:36

Evolution won’t happen at all if a chunk of the population is sterile surely?

Michelleoftheresistance · 28/06/2019 17:38

Important post pinned to the top of the relationships board: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/698029-Right-listen-up-everybody

Women are being asked to accept pity based sports which is all about abandoning personal feelings, ambitions, financial rewards, careers and interests in order to take the shitty end of the deal and prioritise the needs of male born people with trans identities. This is a non reciprocal relationship. Those male born people feel women owe this to them and aren't remotely interested in meeting any needs or feelings of those women, or even allowing those women to talk about them. This = abusive relationship. Regardless of how utterly lovely the male born person may be.

If this is asking for relationships on those same terms.... well lesbians know this one. They've already been told to get on with practicing with cock until they learn to cope with it - their sexual pleasure or needs doesn't enter into it, it's of no interest in the relationship, this is about duty to service a male born person's desires. They only need to learn to 'cope' - I suppose that means just find somewhere to cry afterwards where that person can't see you, and deal privately with the tormenting suspicioun that you are a person too, who could be having sex that fulfils and excites you, with someone who cares about you and your needs and desires, that you could be your authentic self, and that there ought to be a way for lesbian women to escape this fate of staying locked in a box for social reasons. And wondering why, having escaped this box once in the 20th century, some lesbians are so very bent on getting everyone back in it again. It's like some kind of masochism.

I have no idea if I'd date a trans person of the biological sex I'm attracted to; I couldn't know without meeting them. But anyone wedded to a political ideology campaigning hard to remove sex based rights from women without caring or even acknowledging there is harm in this and serious exclusion for those women; to remove and reduce child safeguarding to further the freedoms of male born people; who believes their identity and meeting the needs of it is a larger priority than their partner's bodily autonomy; who believes that women are generally of lesser rights, feelings, humanity and worth less consideration than people with trans identities.... not people I'd consider having a cup of coffee with, never mind dating. Absolutely not relationship material.

Grimbles · 28/06/2019 17:38

Idris Elba is literally killing me Sad

Lamaha · 28/06/2019 17:47

Evolution won’t happen at all if a chunk of the population is sterile surely?

^this. The very fact that transgenderism fiddles with our reproductive systems indicates that nature itself would reject it as "just another option" which the "assigned at birth" folks are trying to force down our throats.

who by definition won't have functioning penises. which is the way I like to have sex. so it's a no from me

Not just wanting to have sex. As a young woman, I wanted to find a partner and have children with him. Why on earth would I have chosen a transman? They would be eliminated from my dating pool right from the getgo.

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Goosefoot · 28/06/2019 17:49

Idris Elba is literally killing me

He's a mass murderer.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 28/06/2019 17:55

Curious how being dated 'at a higher rate' has not made civilisation any safer for women

Right?

Not only is it really really fucked up and creepy to write an article complaining about who groups of people choose to be romantic and sexual with, the reasoning makes no sense whatsoever. It’s really sickening to think anyone owes you a fucking date. We like who we like and it’s none of your god damn business! Nobody should want to steer people in any particular direction when it comes to love and sex. Mind your business.

Lamaha · 28/06/2019 18:00

The comments on that thread are great! So, no matter how mush our institutions and political parties and universities and sanitary products companies and restaurants try to be woke: the man and women on the street still know the difference, and always will. We can't and won't be fooled.

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