Even when they get what they want....

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....they still scream "transphobia!"

UCLA have said that they will install a number of unisex bathrooms throughout campus. These will have floor to ceiling partitions to protect privacy. Now students are claiming that this is transphobia as it implies that trans people are all peeping toms. They get what they claim they want, but they want it on their terms not ours.

At least it should start the process of doubt with some people

I agree. How far do we have to bend over backwards for the TRA's to be happy. Why are our rights to privacy being stamped on so consistently? I'm quite new to the feminist board, but I have a 15 year old DSD and I am trying to teach her that she has the right to privacy and to speak up if she does not feel comfortable. Luckily she is a very bright, confident and strong minded girl. I've really enjoyed our conversations on this topic and hearing her point of view as a teen with a lot of woke friends.

We've both agreed that people can do/be what they want but it cannot come at the loss of women's rights. Real women's rights.

So even privacy is transphobic now?!! They need to be careful, their ulterior motives are showing.

So even privacy is transphobic now?!! They need to be careful, their ulterior motives are showing.

Exactly. It's beginning to look a lot less like inclusion and a lot more like rampant boundary violation.

A poster on another thread said there seems to be a lot of people who get off on violating boundaries. And now it's really beginning to be transparent.

Why bother having toilets at all? Let’s all just shit in a big hole in the town centre. Idiots.

It's the women campaigning for this that I really don't understand. Are they really willing to throw their daughter's/sister's/nieces/mother's under the bus just so they can be seen as the wokest? It genuinely baffles me how anyone can defend the erosion of the few rights that women have had to fight tooth and nail for over the last century.

It genuinely baffles me how anyone can defend the erosion of the few rights that women have had to fight tooth and nail for over the last century.

Ignorance and naivete. Not realising that the only reason they get to talk at all is because of feminism.

In terms of what constitutes transphobia, it will be easier to make a list of what doesn't.

This is where we are at in the 21st century:

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Real women's rights? Trans women are real women.

Sigh.

I'm not certain Box that it is women campaigning for this. It's creepy men determined to violate women's boundaries fronting most (not all) lobby groups / campaigns and then guilt tripping women into upholding it. Women uni students are so vulnerable to being silenced by the threat of a TRA pile on. Being accused of transphobia must be terrifying for young people, hence their desperation to exhibit their woke credentials and support madness like this.

What is a woman Mandala ?

@ALittleBitofVitriol What kind of a question is that? Is it designed so any answer I get can be picked apart and proven wrong? Grow up.

Trans women are real women

No. Transwomen are transwomen, that is men that are performing feminine stereotypes. Nothing wrong with it but they are not women.

Because believing that man can magically become identical to an adult human female is the height of intellectual maturity!

Identical? Is every single biologically born woman identical to one another? We are obviously very different to each other, we are not identical.

As I said in the other thread about this, it’s not about transphobia it’s about control. No concession re bathroom space will ever be enough for TRAs until there are no cubicle partitions at all. It is precisely about eliminating any and all boundaries women have; making their woman allies complicit in their own boundary elimination is the icing on the cake for them

Stop being disingenuous Mandala.

If you believe males can become females then you best inform the Nobel committee I’m sure they’d be very interested

@Sexnotgender Yes I'm sure they'll be blown away by my discovery of hormone replacement therapy and gender reassignment surgery!

I happen to agree that unisex bathrooms should have better privacy than female exclusive bathrooms, not because of the trans presence but because of the Male presence.

I don't think Unisex bathrooms are a good idea, I think that trans individuals should be able to use the bathroom of the gender they identify with.

Anyway, I'm perfectly entitled to my opinion and that I truly accept trans individuals as their identified gender, and MN is not going to be the place that I change the world and convince people. I don't need people to have the same beliefs as me.

@ALittleBitofVitriol What kind of a question is that? Is it designed so any answer I get can be picked apart and proven wrong?

Well, yes. That's generally how arguments work.

It's an attempted gotcha Because women have lots of differences it is no longer possible to define a woman

Wrong.

@Datun Wasn't here for an argument which is why I was surprised someone would outwardly try to start one based on simply encountering someone with a differing opinion to their own.

Is it designed so any answer I get can be picked apart and proven wrong?

Yes.

Now answer it so can pick it apart and prove you wrong.

You don’t win an argument by saying you can’t answer it.

@Mandala6 let's not deny biology.

I'm amazed at how people laugh at flat Earth-era and climate change deniers, but then say in the next breath that a man can become a woman simply by pumping someone full of hormones and chopping off healthy body parts.

I happen to agree that unisex bathrooms should have better privacy than female exclusive bathrooms, not because of the trans presence but because of the Male presence.

That’s a distinction without a difference.

Hormones Replacement (is replacement the right word) and surgery DOES NOT MAGICALLY CHANGE YOUR SEX.