Even when they get what they want....

[BoxOfBabyCheeses]

....they still scream "transphobia!"

UCLA have said that they will install a number of unisex bathrooms throughout campus. These will have floor to ceiling partitions to protect privacy. Now students are claiming that this is transphobia as it implies that trans people are all peeping toms. They get what they claim they want, but they want it on their terms not ours.

Wasn't here for an argument which is why I was surprised someone would outwardly try to start one based on simply encountering someone with a differing opinion to their own.

My mistake, I thought you staring an obvious biological impossibility was something you might reasonably conclude people would disagree with.

That's because it's not what they want.

Wrong sex hormones do not physically change anyone's natal sex and neither do cosmetic and surgical procedures.

I find it really interesting that I'm being attacked purely for believe in a trans woman's right to be treats as any other woman should be.
I thought feminism was about equality amongst all? By saying a trans woman isn't a real woman you take away many of her rights.

As a woman, a group that has had to fight for many many rights and still are not viewed as equal I would not want to exclude or remove rights from any group.
Respecting Transwomen as I do all women is not a negative trait and I don't really understand why I'm being attacked for expressing my beliefs.
I suppose I took offence to the "real women's rights" comment, and in turn others have taken offence to my comments. I accept that, we're all different and entitled to our opinions.
As my opinion does nothing to hurt anyone I'm not going to bother defending it anymore.

@Sarahjconnor That sounds like an argument against perverts, not trans people in my opinion.

@Mandala6

Do you not quite understand science and how biology works?

*I refuse to pander by adding a qualifier to the word ‘woman’ any more. I will not be coerced into preceding it with real, biological or natal in order to validate the idea we are some subset of what we are. The word woman’ is self-explanatory x it means: ‘adult human female’ and does not extend to men who identify as women given transwoman
is also self-explanatory.

This is what happens. We are talking about something that affects everyone. That shows that no matter the adjustments we make, TRA's will always push for more.

And then one person comes on and states a scientifically impossible fact and everyone digressed and argues about that. The news is left behind and it turns into an argument of logic over lunacy.

We can't let ourselves be swayed by the small stuff when there's so much worse to come.

@TopBitchoftheWitches If implying I'm uneducated on matters of biology makes it easier to dismiss me go ahead. I don't mind. I'm entitled to my opinion.

Absolutely agree Box

@BoxOfBabyCheeses I tried to take it back to your point about the bathrooms in one of my precious posts.

*previous

Men who identify as women aren't actually women Mandala6. You can find it as 'interesting' as you like that people know that, but everyone knows that.

Men don't suddenly take on the attributes of women by identifying as one. Men identifying as women commit crime at exactly the same rate as any other man.

You are entitled to believe otherwise, in the teeth of evidence, of course.

You are also entitled to believe any man who says he is something, contrary to your own eyes.

What you can't do, is reasonably expect everyone else to believe it.

By saying a trans woman isn't a real woman you take away many of her rights.

Like what?

To quote Game of Thrones. I no longer think Winter is Coming. I think Winter is Here. I for one am glad to be on the right side of history and I think we need more people (not just women) to be aware of how the world is changing for the worst.

@Datun I never at any point demanded you believe it. I merely defended my own opinion while stating I'm entitled to my own opinion, as you are entitled to yours.
Do I think that biologically transwomen are women? Obviously not.
However do I believe that their soul is that which they identify as? That it is truly possibly to be born into the wrong gendered body and to have the right to choose to live as your authentic self and to have the choice respected. Yes I do.

The fact that women's privacy is suddenly deemed transphobic, tells you everything. It's not women pushing this, it's men identifying as women. Otherwise the word transphobia, would not be used.

It's suddenly wrong not to allow other people - men, women, everyone, to see you in the toilet.

Who the hell benefits from this? Certainly not a single woman.

Strewth. It's indefensible.

I respectfully disagree, OP, , the word ‘woman’ is not small stuff. It’s huge stuff. It is the nexus. We wouldn’t even be arguing about bathroom rule changes if it hadn’t been for the fudging and obfuscating of the definition of what a woman is. This is how we got here.

I find it really interesting that I'm being attacked purely for believe in a trans woman's right to be treats as any other woman should be.

No ppl said that transwomen do not equal women. Nobody said that they should be treated differently. Ppl just said that womens rights shouldn't be bendes/eroded to include transwomen.

That sounds like an argument against perverts, not trans people in my opinion.
You don't think that a predatory man is ever going to say they are trans to access women's spaces?

Do you not think this has happened?

In the US, women’s right to privacy is the legal premise undergirding rights to birth control and abortion.

These numpties are doing the Right-wing’s work for them.

Not to mention the work for every tech corporation whose business model includes violations of privacy.

However do I believe that their soul is that which they identify as? That it is truly possibly to be born into the wrong gendered body and to have the right to choose to live as your authentic self and to have the choice respected. Yes I do.

Well I'm not about to support the changing of laws, the erosion of women's privacy, and all their single spaces, on the basis of a belief in souls.

It's interesting that the main argument for trans women to use the female bathrooms is because they do not feel safe using the men's. So you would think that enclosed cubicles in a unisex bathroom, would make them feel safer against the men they claim would attack them. No they just want to push their power more and more. This is about mens rights not womens.

By saying a trans woman isn't a real woman you take away many of her rights .

Interestingly by saying that every self identified trans woman is a real woman, it is you Mandela6 who is removing rights from women.
The right to undress without the male gaze, to receive intimate care, access DV and rape services from other women, the right to compete against other women in sport ... and so on. Nearly a century of hard won rights for women being dismantled in favour of.... those born men.