In general, what do you feel about The LGBT Foundation using a 'gender fluid' person to promote lesbian visibility day?

[ChrisPrattAteMyHomework]

No links. No judgement of any one perticular person.

Just a discussion about the GENERAL situation as my original post was removed for not being in the spirit

Yet another lesbian deletion.

Am really getting fucking sick if this.

Lesbian = biological woman sexually attracted to another biological woman. End of.
(Note - if you have a penis you're not a woman and you're not a lesbian)

Men get what they want, don't they? Including using the name "lesbian" for themselves if they feel like it,

Just disgusting and disgraceful. Coming across MTF trans calling themselves radical lesbian feminists back in the day is what peak-transed me. I couldn't believe men could think they were lesbians or try to claim the term. I still don't.

Personally I think the trans political movement is hurting women, plus it feels like there will be confrontation when it comes to mal and female brains as you cant have it both ways. To form a valid arguement you cant hold 2 contradictory arguements at the same time, at the very least its hypocritical and at its worst its going to ruin a lot of peoples lives. We need to stop segmenting society.

Surely this is Lesbian erasure rather than Lesbian visibility 😡

Is that intended at me?

I find the notion that a person with a penis can describe themselves as a lesbian, and can believe that any biologically female lesbian who won’t accept their lady penis in her vagina, is bigoted, to be utterly vile and I cannot understand why any organisation based in supporting lesbians would side with the penis-owner ‘lesbians’ over biologically female ones. It is male privilege in action. I am not a lesbian, but I am 100% behind the non-penis lesbians in their fight not to be erased or ‘educated’ out of their ‘genital preferences

Yes Yes and yes. Like that transwoman that decided she was trans, but wouldn't get rid of her penis, then got mad and said lesbians should be more accepting of her and her penis. Facepalm.

Transgender women should have the same rights and respects any other woman should get. But I will not recognise them as a biological woman. I will call them by their proper pro-nouns but I wont change reality in my mind. The idea that we are so supposed to engage in a mass delusion is ridiculous. I'll be honest every time because that's the only pathway way to the truth. Although the truth hurts. In the long run its for the greater good.

In the long run its for the greater good.

Wholly agree. There was a point I reached where polite lies cannot be justified in the light of the damage this does to so many and so much.

Michello it seems like we're kindred spirits valid and intellectual arguements are needed. Only problem is. If we push to hard we become the opposition we hate.

Also if you want to beat the left polite lies won't do it. Polite lies are ripped apart because there is no honesty, and that can be ripped to shreds easily.

then got mad and said lesbians should be more accepting of her and her penis. Facepalm.

You can actually find an article on line, that went into the national press, by a TW talking about how their penis would feel very different in a vagina to a man's penis, because it was female. The delusionality is gobsmacking. More recently, mentions that lesbian women (ie women exclusively sexually attracted to female bodies) who have never tried PIV sex are bigoted and wrong for not having tried it thoroughly before rejecting penis owners from their sex life (and presumably should be able to prove their objective decision to the purity police before being excused sexual harassment and coercion.) You will also find, written openly, accusations about lesbians 'gatekeeping' their vaginas. Ffs. Seriously.

Male sexual entitlement and misogyny at its worst, this is straight out of the dark ages. A belief so ingrained they don't even question it that penis owners have the right to women's bodies, to sex from women, that the women's feelings are irrelevant to this and women protesting or resisting are behaving unacceptably and need punishment from men, and that what women are, what women may do and who gets to use them will be ordered by males.

They call themselves women, the behaviour screams male. And the worst and most unpleasant kind of male.

Do you not think the last post was hypocritically misandrist?

Whatever 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Agree with Michelle. Here for lesbians.

Do you not think the last post was hypocritically misandrist?

Are you not kindred spirits anymore?

I bet thats a relief Michelle

I'm a straight woman.

Justdo if you dont want transgender claiming the same rights as lesbians; you're to late. You as a group should have fought harder

Lesbians have been screaming from the fucking rooftops for years. I don't agree that it's too late though. Lesbians have been fighting lesbophobia and male appropriation for decades. They'll never stop fighting.

By the way, they're coming for the straight men now too - just today I saw a massive thing on twitter calling for het men to allow transwomen into their 'dating pool' penises and all - what will you do?

Ok ive been in a 400 post thread on this defending the positio as best I can, but this post made me think.

'They call themselves women, the behaviour screams male. And the worst and most unpleasant kind of male.' Michelle

Fair enough I say women are better at things than men and vice versa. So what are those things

Zebras to be honest and she had a vagina I wouldn't care. I fancy the way a woman looks, thinks and feels. Definite bonus she doesnt have a dick though, I have to say.

Fair enough I say women are better at things than men and vice versa. So what are those things

Men commit the overwhelming majority of violent crime and nearly all sex crime. So they're far, far "better" at that.

I maybe wrong but I'm guessing this is the aspect of male behaviour Michelleoftheresistance is thinking of.

It is terrible men abuse, mistreat and psychological abuse women. Women do it to also, just not as much. I'd agree some men are violent but its a little hysterical (sorry I know that word only applies to women so its triggering and try to not use it) (hysteria-wandering womb), rape 'culture', 20% of women are assaulted boys being expelled from college for having sex when they were both drunk, all that overhyped crap causes serious damage. Men have done so messed up atrocious things, like wars they had no choice in and went to defend everyone, mainly women, back home.

This false narrative of a patriarchy simply for the empowerment of men is bollocks. Rich people fucked over the poor, also women who beat their husbands had to get put backwards on a blindfold and pelted with rotten food. If he hit her he was given lashes. You can't rewrite history because you don't like it. Men and women at very different times were fucked over by different authoritarian systems.

Just to answer the kindred spirit question, no I don't think less of her as she seems like the type to think and reflect. She may not care I don't know. However I tried to reach someone I believe reachable. If she reads that and thinks maybe that was slightly misandrist it may affect her behaviour in the future. Either out of compassion or out of realising its counterproductive to her ideology. If men hold the power in your opinion then outright hatred for them will cause them to hate you and you will get nowhere.

Trebe, I can't believe you just blamed lesbians for transgender women thinking lesbians need to learn to love penis.

Prawn I said better things not the small population that need shooting. Also 20% of violent crime in the USA is by women, so women aren't innocent when it comes to violent crimes. Would you now like to not dodge the question. What are they better at?