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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans activists occupying MoJ

196 replies

OVAgroundWOMBlingfree · 08/03/2019 14:39

mobile.twitter.com/rosiekerrs/status/1103995803511721984

50 activists are reportedly occupying the MoJ as a protest regarding trans women having their own prison wing created for them.

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SophoclesTheFox · 08/03/2019 15:52

The video is marvellous Grin

The topless person scuttling along trying to get dressed and nearly being folded up in banner from behind is pure gold. I’m dying 😂

Are they chanting “shut it down, shut up?”

MsMcWoodle · 08/03/2019 15:53

Well, they couldn't expose themselves more. Grin

MillytantForceit · 08/03/2019 15:55

Now, what with ISIS and everything, the security at govt buildings is rather shooty at the moment, so let's be clear:

Nobody has occupied anything.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 08/03/2019 15:58

Nobody has occupied anything

Maybe the pavement outside identifies as the MOJ?

And there weren't 50 of them unless they are identifying as two people each.

OVAgroundWOMBlingfree · 08/03/2019 15:59

Maybe the pavement outside identifies as the MOJ?

GrinGrin

I did see photos of them inside but I can’t verify what building that actually is.

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SophoclesTheFox · 08/03/2019 16:01

I am imagining the briefing beforehand must have been quite cursory as it didn’t seem to cover the quite important points about being fully dressed and holding your banner the right way up 😂

Standards, people, standards. Jeez, kids these days...

WrathoftheWorstKlop · 08/03/2019 16:02

Ah, they will be so outed as trans if they are housed in a separate wing.

Whereas if they are with the wimmin, nobody knows. Hmm

Newsflash
Everybody knows

Datun · 08/03/2019 16:08

Ah, they will be so outed as trans if they are housed in a separate wing.

And this is the problem with the rules. If a GRC is given to anyone, or not, and you can't ask to see it, how can you tell if someone is male or female? (according to trans logic obviously.)

And they've got a point. If you are deciding that being a man or a woman is a question of identity, you can't tell by looking.

So in order to identify them as trans they will be outed.

How does that work in terms of the case by case basis, anyway? Or the panel. If they're not supposed to even know they are trans.

I'm guessing this is why those with a GRC got automatic entry. Because you can't argue with it or ask about it, and don't even need to use it.

This mythical transwoman who wanted to pass throughout society totally undetected, is allowing thugs like Karen White to constantly take the piss.

Correction, the people who legislated in the first place.

Correction, the misogynistic wankers who...

Fuckedoffaboutit · 08/03/2019 16:10

I think they are chanting- trans health in trans hands...bit of a shoddy turn out...

AnotherBewilderedQuoll · 08/03/2019 16:10

How predictable. And if these ATHwipes were actually granted their demands for "trans health in trans hands" they'd kick off about that too, accusing the program of "quarantining traaaaans people" or something. You would think "trans women" would be keen for a specialised wing, staffed b trans people and others specifically trained to be empathetic and skilled in dealing with trans people's unique issues in incarceration, rehabilitation and release.

But no. Its not about safety or anything other than validation and access to whoever and whatever's behind any door marked "Women".
"Occupying" the MoJ- Another typically masculine Invasion/transgression/show of force. It'd be nice if these people bothered to or even had the inclination to transition out of masculinity, instead of just transitioning out of one set of clothes for another..

RedToothBrush · 08/03/2019 16:11

I wondered which thread to post this link about Titania McGrath on.

unherd.com/2019/03/why-titania-is-perfect-for-our-times/
Why Titania is perfect for our times
The avenging SJW angel, Titania McGrath, has disrupted a tired genre

In a world where born-men beat born-women at women’s sports and everybody is meant to just shut up about it nobody could possibly be surprised if reality and satire begin to grow thin and one eventually begins to resemble the other.

I think that this thread is the best.

I can imagine this protest being a scene in a comedy. And as such thats how I'm treating it.

Its a specialist wing for women who pose a higher risk to staff and other inmates. Its just that since that risk comes from 'women with willies' that its appropriate for all the 'women with willies' to be put together.

They are all women. Whats the problem?

The idea of Karen White as a symbol for trans persecution is hilarous afterall.

Its like fathers for justice but with transwomen. Can't wait for Catwoman to climb a government department.

LangCleg · 08/03/2019 16:14

I am so angry that there is nothing I can actually say without getting an instaban.

MhairiV · 08/03/2019 16:17

One of the banners suggests it's rape by staff that they're worried about. I note there's no obvious acknowledgment of the fact a significant % of trans women are in prison for sexual crimes though. Funny that.

BettyDuMonde · 08/03/2019 16:18

It’s a bit like a particularly bad day on The Thick of It, combined with the Cake episode of Brass Eye, combined with Nathan Barley (in a blouse and lipstick).

NeutralJanet · 08/03/2019 16:21

We demand the right to multiple surgeries, including reversal of previous surgeries if desired, so that we do not have to fear regret

Mmm hmm. Because surgery will be able to put everything back, exactly as it was before, won't it? Hmm

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 08/03/2019 16:21

I hope this makes the MOJ even more sure in their decision.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 08/03/2019 16:21

Surely nothing is stopping anyone from becoming a medical student and getting medical training, their being trans certainly should present no barrier?

Unless the means actually is fully funded (free) university places on medical training programmes, and no requirement to have the qualifications to be there?

Knicknackpaddyflak · 08/03/2019 16:21

Unless the MEANING actually is.... grrr.

DoctoressPlague · 08/03/2019 16:23

We demand medical training to enable us to safely carry out medical procedures & research for each other, for anyone of us who wants to learn

Funny how they demand the creation of a parallel system in some areas, but the more mundane and reasonably doable suggestions like third spaces don't seem to gain any traction among this lot.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 08/03/2019 16:24

Wondering how prison staff are feeling about this very serious accusation that they are such a danger to TW?

And why TW being amongst women makes them so much safer from the risks from prison staff than being among men does?

DoctoressPlague · 08/03/2019 16:26

It’s a bit like a particularly bad day on The Thick of It, combined with the Cake episode of Brass Eye, combined with Nathan Barley (in a blouse and lipstick).
Grin
I'm now wondering if Women's Strike have been had.

Popchyk · 08/03/2019 16:28

They could train as prison officers.

And work specifically with those male people who have a history of violence and sexual offences. And who the MoJ deem too dangerous to join women inmates in women's prisons.

Transgender offenders searched by transgender officers. Job done.

There would be absolutely no chance of violence or sexual assault against the transgender officers, because as we all know, transgender inmates never commit offences.

Equally, there would be absolutely no chance of violence or sexual assault from the transgender officers, because as we all know, transgender officers never commit offences.

EcclesThePeacock · 08/03/2019 16:29

I almost wish someone would accede to that 'right for medical training' demand. Of course, to be able to safely carry out procedures and do meaningful scientific research, they'd actually have to pass all the exams, and then do post med-school training as a junior doctor and/or postgrad science qualifications.

AornisHades · 08/03/2019 16:30

We know that creating segregated wings will only create more prison spaces that will be in the government’s interest to fill
That's some advanced paranoia there...