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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans activists occupying MoJ

196 replies

OVAgroundWOMBlingfree · 08/03/2019 14:39

mobile.twitter.com/rosiekerrs/status/1103995803511721984

50 activists are reportedly occupying the MoJ as a protest regarding trans women having their own prison wing created for them.

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WaddIelikeapenguin · 08/03/2019 15:02

What does the protest banner “trans health in trans hands” have to do with prisons? Are they advocating the Edinburgh Action For Trans Health demand that they all be trained to do surgery on each other Confused cos the prison service is likely to have issue with the scalpels at the very least...

EweSurname · 08/03/2019 15:03

Re: death sentence - someone on twitter said it was because segregation would lead to more violence by staff (and apparently trans people are already at greater risk of harm from prisoners as well as guards) because there would be less visibility.

I didn't get much further than that.

WaddIelikeapenguin · 08/03/2019 15:03

pop I feel we should always be grateful if JB keeps under wraps...

GerryblewuptheER · 08/03/2019 15:03

So it's not a mental.health issue but if you dont play along I'm gonna kill.myself- said no mentally stable person ever

Datun · 08/03/2019 15:04

From what I heard, it's the staff who they are in danger from.

Or maybe that was just from some lone Twitterer wildly trying to come up with a reason, having not yet read the official memo.

If it's about validation, I think it's high time this conversation was had.

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 08/03/2019 15:05

Their entire objective has never been more abundantly clear: dominate and intimidate women, invade their spaces and control everything to do with women. Everything.

Datun · 08/03/2019 15:05

So it's not a mental.health issue but if you dont play along I'm gonna kill.myself- said no mentally stable person ever

I'm not sure how they think anyone is going to decide they should have access to vulnerable, abused women on that basis, either.

Bowlofbabelfish · 08/03/2019 15:05

“trans health in trans hands”

This is just like that time cancer patients carried out a violent protest to make sure all the oncologists were fired and only cancer patients treated cancer patients..

Oh wait no, that didn’t happen...🤦🏻‍♀️

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 08/03/2019 15:07

This isn't being reported on the news anywhere that I can see. All smoke and mirrors? Why aren't these people at work anyway?

EcclesThePeacock · 08/03/2019 15:08

If you have a few minutes of your life you don't want back, find the 'Trans health manifesto' ...

Datun · 08/03/2019 15:09

trans health in trans hands”

Oh lord. Bring it on.

They can't hand out the free crampons fast enough.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 08/03/2019 15:09

@EcclesThePeacock - what the hell did I just read there? Pooooo

Anlaf · 08/03/2019 15:13

Activists occupy the Ministry of Justice to protest against transphobic measures to segregate incarcerated trans women
On International Women’s Day, 50 activists occupy Ministry of Justice in London.
Trans and cis allies condemn plans to transfer trans women to men’s prisons, and the creation of the trans-only prison ward at HMP Downview, as well as state violence against all incarcerated women.
The activists state that these reforms will lead to further violence against vulnerable people in the criminal justice system and demand the government focus on reduction of the prison population.

8 March: As part of international protests connected to the Women’s Strike, a group of 50 trans activists and their allies have occupied the Ministry of Justice on International Women’s Day to express grave concern about government plans to move trans women to men’s prison estates and to open segregated wings for trans women at HMP Downview.

Provisions introduced after the Ministry of Justice Review in 2016 of ‘the care and management of transgender offenders’ are at risk of being reversed. Motivations for reversal are based on transphobic scapegoating of trans women for the violence of the prison system, whilst ignoring the violence to which trans women are subjected in custody.

Esther Olivestone, one of the women organising the action said: "Trans women are taking action today to oppose government plans to transfer incarcerated trans women to the male prison estates and to create a separate trans-only prison ward; a move that will be a death sentence for many. We stand against the prison system, and all the violence that it enacts and enables.”

There is considerable evidence to suggest that trans women incarcerated in men’s prison estates experience high levels of violence and death. In 2016, Jenny Swift took her own life in HMP Doncaster after being denied access to hormones. Vicki Thompson was twenty one when she killed herself in HMP Leeds in 2015.

Activists say that incarcerating trans women separately does not provide a solution, as much of the harm inmates experience is from the prison staff. There has been increasing transphobic media coverage that presents trans women as subhuman and who must be separated at all costs. Academic endorsement for these dangerous and violent proposals has come from the Centre for Crime and Justice Studies who have publicly endorsed the transphobic measures. The action, backed by groups including Sister not Cis-ter, and Incarcerated Workers Organising Committee was held in solidarity with sisters and siblings around the world who are on strike to refuse the conditions of gendered existence, and to declare that no one of any gender can be free while notions of justice rely on incarceration, borders, and cages. Helena Steal, a member of Community Action on Prison Expansion, a group who endorsed the action said: “We support this action because what the government is proposing amounts to state sanctioned murder. We know that creating segregated wings will only create more prison spaces that will be in the government’s interest to fill. This mirrors disturbing plans to expand the prison estate to hold 10,000 more inmates by 2020, including plans to build a non-binary prison in Scotland. We need to get rid of cages, not build more!”
-ENDS

iwoc.iww.org.uk/2019/03/08/activists-occupy-the-ministry-of-justice-to-protest-against-transphobic-measures-to-segregate-incarcerated-trans-women/

OVAgroundWOMBlingfree · 08/03/2019 15:13

trans health in trans hands

And obviously women’s health in trans hands too, or y’know, you’re a bigot.

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Sexnotgender · 08/03/2019 15:15

How would having them in the general population stop guards abusing them? Are they expecting women to step in?

Surely if guards wished to abuse them (call me sceptical) then they will abuse them regardless of which ‘wing’ they are in.

StarSpangledAnna · 08/03/2019 15:16

Google says the weather in London is cloudy and rainy so could that first picture with blue skies have been taken today? I'm not in London so not sure if Google weather is accurate.

Maybe I'm too cynical!

Datun · 08/03/2019 15:17

Motivations for reversal are based on transphobic scapegoating of trans women for the violence of the prison system

No they're not, they're based on transwomen sexually assaulting the inmates.

Dur.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 08/03/2019 15:17

If they get arrested and detained...

StarSpangledAnna · 08/03/2019 15:17

Cross post Anlaf - maybe this is real then! It seems utterly bizarre.

DoctoressPlague · 08/03/2019 15:19

But that is so clearly outweighed by the needs of the female prison population who have disproportionately suffered abuse, and the fact that half of the trans prison population have been convicted of sex offences.

Exactly. It's offensive to organise this protest on IWD.

Anlaf · 08/03/2019 15:19

Star that is impressive investigating.

It is currently cloudy in London although I recollect it may have been sunnyish earlier when I opened the window to shout at next door's pussycat. (It is trying to mate my pussycat, the fiend)

JessicaWakefieldSVH · 08/03/2019 15:19

It’s miserable in London today, grey all day and raining all afternoon

Deadbudgie · 08/03/2019 15:20

so half the TW population have been accused of sexual assults then complaining about not being treated as women. Just a thought, have surgery -without anesthestic- to remove their "manhoods" - kill two birds with one stone.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 08/03/2019 15:21

From the IWW website, who' recognises that prisoners are on the frontline of wage/prison slavery, capitalist exploitation and the State’s war on the working class.' No mention of it being all trans biased...

'We’re occupying the ministry of justice to show them that we won’t stand idly by while they expose incarcerated trans women to vast amounts of violence and isolation. We won’t let them demonise us as monsters from which other women need to be protected. We want them to know that we hold them personally responsible for any and all deaths of trans women in prison and and state custody. Death in prison is state-sanctioned murder!'

We won’t let them demonise US as monsters from which other women need to be protected. So its all about the men innit.