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Julia Long asking Munro Bergdorf about child exploitation

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happydappy2 · 19/02/2019 13:27

Julia Long was asked to leave the venue, after asking MB if it was normal that an 11yr old child dancing in front of adults, has money thrown at them by grown men. This was at Transmission & was deemed an offensive question....video footage on twitter of the incident.....worth a watch, sorry I can’t link to it but hope someone else can.

[Edited by MNHQ to add video link]

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RockyFlintstone · 25/02/2019 11:51

Yes, that is true R0wantrees.

LangCleg · 25/02/2019 11:52

This could have the opposite effect than intended where welfare of the child is the key concern as high levels of perceived hostility towards him and his family will also be identified as risk.

Yes. This is why proper safeguarding is vital.

Vixxxy · 25/02/2019 11:56

Except how do you actually define sexualisation? Twerking on stage must be it, surely.

In a nightclub, with grown men throwing money at him. Posing with naked male adults I think too, or was that another drag kid?

Twerking on stage wouldn't be quite as bad in say..a school talent show. But in a nightclub, basically with the 'punters' seeing him as someone there for their entertainment and treating him like they would any 'exotic dancer' or whatever?! And his mum (is dad in the picture and accepting/encouraging?) encouraging this behaviour, thinking its normal and attacking anyone who says otherwise. Clearly a huge problem..thats before you even get into the rest of it

I guess the mum attacking people..it could be similar to uzie Green. She attacks people as she cannot bear to think what she did might be wrong, so doubling down is the only option really. Might be the same in this case, however whats being done to Desmond CAN be reversed. In Greens case, it cannot so theres not much option.

R0wantrees · 25/02/2019 12:00

Age-appropriate activities / exposure / behaviour etc are always relevent factors considered in Safeguarding /Child Protection assessments.

dunnowhatillcallmyself · 25/02/2019 12:07

Jon Benet Ramsey murder.

From wiki page

Stephen Singular, author of the book Presumed Guilty: An Investigation into the JonBenét Ramsey Case, the Media and the Culture of Pornography, refers to consultations with cyber-crime specialists who believe that JonBenét, due to her beauty pageant experience, could have attracted the attention of child pornographerss* and pedophiless*.[59]

happydappy2 · 25/02/2019 19:21

That video dunnowhatillcallmyself is truly wierd. I also think desmond looks possibly malnourished (to be kept tiny) and was clearly out of it.....the grown men drinking 'tea' in tiny pink cups.....nope not alright at all. The Deprogrammer also has some videos on youtube about this subject, which are disturbing. Apparently D came out as gay aged 2...if that isn't sexualising children then WTF is?

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RockyFlintstone · 27/02/2019 09:28

The maker of the film linked above has now been referenced on Desmond's Instagram, obviously as an 'online bully' blah blah blah.

Lots of fawning comments underneath telling the mum to 'sue for defamation' and saying that 'kids dance in bikinis all the time' and 'it's hate speech'.

THIS 11 YEAR OLD CHILD IS ON VIDEO SIMULATING TAKING KETAMINE AND HANGING AROUND WITH A VILE CONVICTED MURDERER AND DRUG DEALER YOU DUMB FUCKS.

Sorry for the caps lock there, but I just don't get this at all? It's there is plain sight, how can it be explained away?

Also, worryingly, one of the commenter is a frigging social worker who reckons that investigating this would be 'using recourses that aren't needed and being wasteful'. WTF?

RockyFlintstone · 27/02/2019 09:44

Mum also says in the post that 'there is not one iota of truth in the rumours she [the video maker] is spreading'.

Really?

So Desmond pretending to snort ketamine is just a figment of everyone's imagination?

Michael Alig isn't a drug dealer who killed his mate and then who chopped up his mates body?

This woman is a total liar.

Also on the Insta is a clip of a video about Desmond being into drag when he was little. He speaks of how, when he was two years old, he looked up and saw RuPauls Drag Race on the telly and that's when it all started. Two year olds don't remember that sort of thing, he doesn't remember this. Once again it's what he has been told to parrot by the adults around him. Also on the Insta another video of him dancing around in an art gallery or something, with distinctly adult voices cheering him and shouting 'we love you Desmond'.

Sorry to go on about this, but this has really pissed me off this morning. That this movement is so powerful that people are not only willing to turn a blind eye to incredibly concerning stuff, but actually cheer it on. Its really upsetting actually Sad

WeRiseUp · 27/02/2019 10:03

worryingly, one of the commenter is a frigging social worker

The number of nonces and their enablers who become local counsellors, children's charity workers and teachers, etc would make it unremarkable for them to become social workers too. Additionally the person posting could be lying about being a social worker - in much the same way as nasty old skool MRAs can begin with "speaking as a black Muslim woman..."

trumpdump · 27/02/2019 10:14

I honestly can't even follow this story- it upsets me too much Sad

R0wantrees · 27/02/2019 10:30

worryingly, one of the commenter is a frigging social worker

Social Workers have been 're-educated' by some TRAs just as other professions teachers, doctors, politicians, journalists, prison officers and judges.

Its systemic Safeguarding failure.

In the UK Tara Hewitt (TELI), Proud Trust (Stephen Whittle & Christine Burns), Mermaids etc have been involved with developing policies, training and information for SWs, Foster Carers and the children and young people in the Care System.

These are the most vulnerable of children and it is a failure of Corporate Parenting to defer and cede power/influence to lobbyists with no background in Safeguarding, Child development, Social Care etc

important threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324578-Vunerabilities-of-Looked-After-Children-Social-Work-CP-restricted-by-affirmation-requirement-Trans-Youth-in-Care-Toolkit

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3448221-Recommendation-that-Butterfly-used-as-training-material-for-social-workers

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3374926-What-influence-does-TELI-have-on-government-public-services-and-charities-policies-Co-founders-include-Jess-Bradley-Tara-Hewitt-and-Michelle-Hudson

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3385533-Prominant-campaigning-role-of-Tara-Hewitt-NHS-TELI-Social-work-universities-etc

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3436955-Stephen-Whittle

dunnowhatillcallmyself · 27/02/2019 10:44

Yes that film is awful.

Trumpdump, rocky and happy, I've had to do a bit of stepping back on certain aspects at times of all this. You're not alone.

Somewhere I read that there were already 200 reports filed to their version of SS on Desmond. So hopefully safeguarding will out. He's been manipulated. I also feel if he were a girl it would have been spotted and called out much sooner.

I hope Bergdorf is reading.

R0wantrees · 16/03/2019 17:57

Current thread, OP MenstruatorExtraordinaire wrote:

"Paedophile at Drag Queen Story Time

Houston Public Library is apologizing after a man charged for sexually assaulting a child was allowed to entertain children at Drag Queen storytime.

abc13.com/drag-queen-storytime-reader-once-charged-with-assault/5197176/

Garza was charged with child sex assault in 2008. According to records, his victim was a child under the age of 14 years old."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3534643-Paedophile-at-Drag-Queen-Story-Time

BorneBackCeaselesslyIntoThePas · 16/03/2019 18:14

there were already 200 reports filed to their version of SS on Desmond. So hopefully safeguarding will out.

“Wendy Napoles — the mother of Desmond is Amazing, an 11-year-old drag queen who infamously danced in a gay nightclub recently as adults threw dollar bills at the boy — said child protective services ruled that others' accusations of child abuse are "unfounded."

www.theblaze.com/news/child-abuse-accusations-11-year-old-drag-queen

BigGoat · 16/03/2019 18:50

I’d not seen that video of Munro suggesting the sexualisation of children through paid erotic dance acts is completely normal..

And given the heckling of the woman who asked the question, it seems it wasn’t just just the stage that was slipping into paedophilia apologia.

What delightful people.

R0wantrees · 17/03/2019 13:43

And given the heckling of the woman who asked the question, it seems it wasn’t just just the stage that was slipping into paedophilia apologia.

What delightful people

Many people are easily groomed, unable or unwilling to consider the prevelence of child sex abuse.

cf recent Guardian article by Dan Reed:

'I’m shocked by those who still won’t accept Michael Jackson as abuser

The director of Leaving Neverland on the polarised reaction to his landmark film'
(extract)
I had only a foggy idea about all this before starting work on the film. The complex, counter-intuitive and repugnant truths of child sexual abuse that Wade Robson, James Safechuck and their families have courageously unravelled on camera came as a shock to me.

In particular, the repellent but undeniable fact that a powerful attachment often forms between the predator and the child, who experiences the adult’s sexual advances not as abuse, but quite the opposite: as love. Equally disturbing to any parent is the child’s subsequent urge to shelter the abuser from parents or police. This misplaced loyalty often persists into adulthood, even though the adult knows by now that child sexual abuse is a crime. “I felt anointed,” as Wade puts it.

And then there’s the fear of consequences. “Michael told me we’d go to jail for the rest of our lives,” said Wade, describing a conversation that he had at Neverland when he was seven, but was repeated many times. The combined weight of love, shame and fear can lead to a lifetime of silence. The psychological strain of keeping the secret corrodes the soul, resulting in depression, feelings of worthlessness, substance abuse, suicidal thoughts. And the victim doesn’t connect these symptoms with the childhood sexual relationship. I am no psychotherapist but this all started to make a dreadful kind of sense to me. As James observed poignantly in a recent interview: “Your whole childhood is a lie.” (continues)

concludes:
The most extraordinary thing in all this is that no one denies that Jackson took little boys to his bed, night after night, for many, many years. What did his family and business associates think he was doing with these little boys behind a locked door? Did they believe he was actually a child in the body of a man and therefore somehow needed to sleep with little boys? That makes no sense if you think about it for more than a second

Why has it taken 30 years for Jackson to be unmasked? Here in the UK we were all asking the same question after Jimmy Savile.

The answer has something to do of course with the dazzling glare of celebrity and our instinctive deference to talent and wealth. But it also has a lot to do with collective ignorance. Joe Public – that includes me before making this film – has no idea what grooming by a predatory paedophile looks like. Why didn’t the kid go running to mummy as soon as he was groped? This is partly why so many victims take their shameful secret to their graves.

Leaving Neverland is a humble attempt to change that, and light a beacon for those who, when the time is right, may wish to break their silence and confront their abuser, alive or dead."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/10/dan-reed-shocked-those-wont-accept-michael-jackson-abuser?CMP=share_btn_tw

R0wantrees · 22/03/2019 13:09

current thread, OP SpartacusAutisticusAHF Thu 21-Mar-19 20:05:43 wrote:

"Lesbians removed from Accenture inclusive trans event by 7 police officers
Julia Long and others have just been removed by 7 police officers from City of London for attending an event and making the speakers feel uncomfortable (or something, it's not exactly clear).

SEVEN police officers.

www.facebook.com/julia.long.716/videos/10156563771849608?sfns=mo

youtube:

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3539529-Lesbians-removed-from-Accenture-inclusive-trans-event-by-7-police-officers

R0wantrees · 22/03/2019 13:13

In other City of London Corporation news, Deputy Edward Lord encourages schools to embrace & affirm adult 'Drag' for 'diversity'.

twitter.com/edwardlord/status/1101070660313460737

Julia Long asking Munro  Bergdorf about child exploitation
R0wantrees · 22/03/2019 13:14

(see above)

Julia Long asking Munro  Bergdorf about child exploitation
Thingybob · 22/03/2019 14:51

A video of the Brit School Drag Show that Edward Lord had the 'privilege' to attend is here

Empowering and affirming Edward? I see it as the normalisation of fetishes and grooming of kids. I certainly wouldn't encourage any 14 year old family member to attend that school.

R0wantrees · 11/06/2019 20:47

current threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3605120-Munroe-Childline-s-first-LGBT-campaigner

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3609218-Hi-from-Safe-Schools-Alliance-UK

Munroe Bergdorf's interview with BBC:
BBC’s LGBT Correspondent, Ben Hunte gives Munroe Bergdorf an unquestioning platform.

Subtitles indicate BBC bias with unevidenced allegations including the starting of online organisations "against Munroe Bergdorf"

www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-48590026/trans-people-like-second-class-citizens

Shelley Charlesworth (former BBC journalist) response:

"There are multiple problems with the quality of journalism in this piece by Ben Hunte, your newly appointed LGBT correspondent.
BBC News - Munroe Bergdorf: NSPCC cuts ties with transgender activist
NSPCC cuts ties with transgender activist
Munroe Bergdorf's spokesperson says the charity is "bowing down to pressure from a transphobic lobby".
www.bbc.com/news/uk-48572955

1/ Sources. Hunte claims that the NSPCC has received "transphobic letters". Who says this? The NSPCC has not commented ATOW so how do we know this is true?
2/ Bergdorf claims there is a "transphobic lobby". Is there? How is it manifest? A good journalist would interrogate this assertion - not repeat it as truth. There is a further quote from a Bergdorf spokesperson that the "NSPCC is bowing down to transphobic pressure"
3/ There is no attempt to reflect the views of those people who do not think Bergdorf is a suitable person to be an ambassador for the NSPCC's Childline.
4/ If Ben Hunte had contacted any of the groups and individuals concerned about Bergdorf's NSPCC role he would have found people who could point to Bergdorf's past associations and words, especially in relation to children
5/ For instance Bergdorf has asked children to get in contact directly - behind the backs of their parents - if they have any gender issues. Bergdorf has also interviewed, approvingly, the prepubescent and autistic child Desmond, who performs drag acts in front of gay men.
6/ Bergdorf has had the misfortune to be dropped by two big organisations already, L'Oreal and the Labour Party over past derogatory comments on race and lesbians. Warning bells should have been ringing with senior editors.
7/ Why is the BBC content to let their standard of journalism drop when dealing with LGBT issues? They don't employ anti-vaxxers to be health correspondents, or climate change deniers at environment. But with LGBT issues words like transphobia get idly and ignorantly dropped in.
8/ Does Ben Hunte believe it is possible to change sex, to be born in the wrong body, that we have a thing called "gender identity"? If he believes any of these things he should not be working as a BBC journalist.
9/ Why is he not looking at stories where there is a genuine debate? Women's sports, letting natal boys into the Girl Guides, the troubles at the Tavistock, the huge increase in the number of teenage girls with ROGD, the debates with the Scottish parliament on sex and gender
10/ and the sudden and massive flowering of women's groups who are raising serious objections to the unthinking trans narrative. Here's some for you Ben. @ Transgendertrd @ WPUK @ fairplaywomen Go and speak to them. You won't find a single transphobe among them
11/ I know there are people at the BBC who agree with all of the above but are unable to say or do anything. This is not good enough. The BBC must overhaul its whole approach to the trans debate. Millions of women will thank you for it."

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1138416838109487105.html

Safe Schools Alliance statement in response to BBC bias:
twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1138464567707807749?s=20

ChattyLion · 11/06/2019 21:12

R0wan thank you for setting this all out so clearly.

Cuntysnark · 11/06/2019 21:40

R0wantrees is mumsnet national treasure/shero

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