Julia Long asking Munro Bergdorf about child exploitation

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Julia Long was asked to leave the venue, after asking MB if it was normal that an 11yr old child dancing in front of adults, has money thrown at them by grown men. This was at Transmission & was deemed an offensive question....video footage on twitter of the incident.....worth a watch, sorry I can’t link to it but hope someone else can.

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The thing is nonces get all over anything to get themselves greater access and impunity.

I even see The Truth Project R0 linked to as a safeguarding concern. How long before they get a nonce on the team giving fellow nonces the heads up that their victim has started to talk?

I no longer have any faith - not since Girlguiding and NSPCC have been so publicly groomed and continue to double down on their nonce-enabling policies.

I've just shared that article, R0 - it's absolutely chilling.

As a side thought, I wonder how many of the people who've 'liked' my FB posts about Martina (more than have ever liked any of my GC posts) will like this one. I'm guessing none.

It is rife amongst all the Christian churches.

Any situation where adults can gain access to vulnerable adults and children will be targetted by those determined abuse possible positions of trust. Recognising this and the lengths that some adults will go to to divert attention and questioning is a fundamental lesson for those responsible for Safeguarding.

Lisa Muggeridge
'Social work training: Ever present risk of predatory behaviour'

WeRiseUp
There are systemic failings / failures of the Safeguarding frameworks intended to protect children and vulnerable adults.

See important thread with examples discussed:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3301266-Safeguarding-girls-and-protecting-women-post-Jimmy-Saville-metoo

It is rife amongst all the Christian churches.

It is a problem in ALL religions. Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism: you need it and men find a way to exploit women and children for their own sexual ends. Don't point the finger at churches.

Signed

An agnostic

Well put R0

And when you look at the general public's response when an incident against a child comes to light, they will absolutely refuse to swallow the nicely nicely dressed up excuses and waffle. What you get is primal rage. I spend a lot of time wanting to shake idiots in paid roles whose job it is to foresee stuff, and ask them, do you want to see people being strung up from lamp posts? Because good luck convincing the Liverpool or Soham or Tower Hamlets communities that they're paedophobic and meh to what the children experienced. And if you're prepared to stand in front of those crowds when an outrage happens and unleash waffly bullshit about some warped vision of 'inclusion', you're a damn sight braver than I am.

Don't point the finger at churches.

Agreed. It seems any trusted positions are sought out - from religious leaders to teachers, care workers, whatever.

It’s fairly simple - wherever there are children and a lack of responsible people protecting them, there will be child abusers.

That is one of the main reasons we have safeguarding. Because without it children are harmed.

I think it’s quite hard for people (especially parents) to understand that there are masses of people who do not care if kids are harmed. Whether through actual abuse or the enabling of it it is everywhere.

I’ve worked with vulnerable children for 15 or so years. What you learn is that people are disgusting and children’s safety is a low priority.

I looked at that Shirley Temple video up thread and that creeped me out. I think a lot of that would have gone over my head because I don't have male sexuality and I need men to point it out to me. All the semen squirting/drinking 'jokes'. It makes me realise how ignorant those 'pageant mums' must be.

Someone at the time (I keep thinking Charlie Chaplin but that can’t be right) caused a massive stink by saying only dirty old men went to see Shirley Temple films, so people knew at the time and it was still denied.

See also the treatment of Jusy Garland as a kid.

Judy Garland. Obv.

What you learn is that people are disgusting and children’s safety is a low priority

I had really hoped that The Childrens Act and Childline breaking through the silence was making a real difference.

Everything looks now like abusers are learning to warp and twist those protections to carry on abusing with impunity and we are regressing as a society.

I do want to add that due to the kids I work with (and the adults in their lives that impact on them) I do have a very negative opinion of people.

There are plenty of good people who care but it’s easy to not see any of that when you’re surrounded by dysfunctional families.

I’m not trying to excuse anyone but I don’t want anyone feeling really down because I’m very jaded.

Delirium it was Graham Greene and he was vilified for it.

Deliriumoftheendless

I feel a mixture of hope about all the fiercely protective and clued-up mumsnetters on here, then despair about kids like Desmond and Jazz Jennings being openly exploited and all the cultural enabling that's going on.

Echo the above sentiments. Some days it's crushing and I have to step away from it all a bit.

Deliriumoftheendless

Thank you Vaginafetishist. I just couldn’t remember who it was.

Neurotrash - thank you but it’s not me that needs flowers it’s the kids (and their families) that are the ones suffering. But the sentiment is appreciated.

I know but I also know you will be carrying the understanding of how things aren't right and will often feel you can never do enough.

Munroe has gone extremely silent since this video clip haven’t they.

I found myself questioning the meaning of the word privacy, for instance. Purely because someone was questioning why I wanted to be private.

Yes I know exactly what you mean, Datun

Bergdorf is just biding their time, waiting for the furore to blow over. The same as they did after they were sacked by L'Oreal and the Labour for being racist.

Labour Party not Labour.

It’s fairly simple - wherever there are children and a lack of responsible people protecting them, there will be child abusers.

Yes. And why it's unconscionable to abet the silencing of women pointing this out. I really hope you are reading this thread, MNHQ, because I am so disappointed with what you have said on it. Please think.