The Sun admit the Ian Huntley isTrans story was made up

[FeministFrequencyFan]

twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/1094931865318948864

A timely, if incredibly worrying reminder, that we should view all stories about minorities from our press with extreme skepticism. I hope this is the only fabricated inflammatory anti-trans story our press has published, it would be awful if the debate regarding trans rights was being used as cover by bigots to spread anti-trans hatred.

there's no specific law that gives you the right not to be murdered
Really?

So as suspected it's not rights it's demands - like always.

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I've never believed any male prisoners should be in the female estate, OP. No exceptions. I continue in this belief.

Doesn’t that FPFW quote refer to predatory criminals rather than all trans people?

Yes it does. It's about criminals.

utterlyunimaginative OP means that there’s no statute prohibiting murder, erroneously equating “statute” with “law” whereas a statute is a type of law.

Can we just check something.

Apparently, i won't embarrass the person by saying who it is, some said there's no law against murder.

This was a bit of a silly thing to say wasn't it.

Yes, my right not to be murdered is rather implied by the fact that if it can be proven in court that you murdered me, you'll get a mandatory life sentence.

Who's been murdered in prison for being trans?

Rolling back the right not to be murdered will cause lots of problems.

Is it April the 1st already?

Because this made up story was used to argue for a rolling back of trans rights.

There are no rights that men can go to female prisons. It's a flawed policy based on the lie that people can change sex.

Just like the lie in your opening post that says the Sun have admitted that the Ian Huntley trans story was made up. When in fact it was a) The daily star, and b) they are merely reporting that a compulsive lying psychopath has denied he is called Nicola and wears a wig.

The actual existence of Ian Huntley is immaterial to this. It's the mechanism by which anyone, including Huntley, can get to female prisons.

And oh yes, the small matter of women being banned from Twitter based on the trans lobby backing Huntley up. Because the mechanism left them no choice.

A woman is anyone who says they are is the problem.

Dear Lord, there is no end to people's duplicity in this.

Oh and, there were people on that thread with first hand knowledge of what Huntley is doing.

*OP I seem to remember that came from a thread about actual criminals, as indicated by the tweet they’re replying to saying “and they all want to move to a female prison”. So could you please link the whole thread if you disagree with this? Tweets are no longer there. Because I would hate to think you’re doing the usual TRA trick of mischaracterising everything, because your arguments simply aren’t up to a straight battle.

That is the full thread, unfortunately you can't check it because FPFW have deleted all their posts from that time.

There's also this though, so I think we can all agree they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

trans person: "Tig Notaro fell in love with a straight woman who came to love her, too. When trans ask people not to reject them because they are trans, they mean it that way: consider me as an individual before you decide. If you reject me, reject me as an individual"

Fair Play for Women: "Nice idea, but most of them mean it in the "you will fuck my penis, bitch" way. Regrettably."

( source: archive.is/toTET )

Maybe it won't be that bad, i mean at first bodies will be litering the streets but surely it will settle down after a time.

lots of people will openly come out as murderers if it wasn't illegal too.

They've been painted in a very bad light by the press too.

You do know that PIE actually were actively supported by the gay movement? Thats not a baseless slur.

So homophobic lies are allowed on the message board? And no one else has questioned them about it?

Yeesh, no wonder people compare this place to 4chan.

It isn’t the full thread, because jas5932 is replying to something. It’s a misleading snapshot. Possibly you posted it in good faith but if so should hopefully demonstrate to you the mischaracterisation by those purporting to speak up for trans people. It it done to feed the lie that anyone who doesn’t agree with them is a bigot. See also the lie about razor blades and posters.

As to your next point I’m not here to defend fair play for women. My initial point was about whether anyone is saying all trans women are predators or if its another ridiculous straw man, and your out of context tweet does nothing to answer that.

A Group of people trying to change the law around pedophilia and hanging on to the Hmosexual right movements of the day doesn't mean that all homosexuals were peadophiles.
It's a fact that happened.

a very similar thing is happening today.

feminist

If you report homophobic lies then mumsnet will delete

Ireland keeps all transwomen prisoners in men's prisons.

As you point out, none of their female prisoners have been assaulted by a fellow prisoner's penis while in prison.

Ireland has recent experience in the lengths predators will go to in order to gain access to victims. A life in the church, all that study, the official celibacy. Do you think it a nonsense that predatory men would have gone to such lengths?

Yeesh, no wonder people compare this place to 4chan

People are weird...thats a fact

I know this point has been made already, but it’s always worth another go: it doesn’t matter if Ian Huntley identifies as a man, a woman or a tin of sardines. What matters is that there is simply no way to tell if someone is “really” trans or not, and women aren’t allowed to talk about the dangers that this presents to us

The position of feminists hasn’t changed. It’s the position of genderists that has changed:

-You mustn’t misgender Ms Huntley, no matter what she’s done
-Ian Huntley denies that he’s trans

• it was always fake news! Planted by feminists to undermine the cause!

It’s laughably transparent, watching people tie themselves in knots trying to defend how they have in fact apparently misgendered a cis man, but it’s all actually gender critical feminists fault anyway. Lame.

No rights are being rolled back on Huntley’s account, of that we can be sure.

@FeministFrequencyFan
If you think thats a lie you report it to MN, and if it is they'll delete it.

You have no right to be so ignorant while pushing an agenda.

The National Council for Civil Liberties (now Liberty) was also loosely affiliated with PIE in the 1970s. How can you not know any of this?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10659100/Harriet-Harman-Jack-Dromey-Patricia-Hewitt-and-the-Paedophile-Information-Exchange.html