The Sun admit the Ian Huntley isTrans story was made up

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twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/1094931865318948864

A timely, if incredibly worrying reminder, that we should view all stories about minorities from our press with extreme skepticism. I hope this is the only fabricated inflammatory anti-trans story our press has published, it would be awful if the debate regarding trans rights was being used as cover by bigots to spread anti-trans hatred.

But they saw inside his soul and saw it was female

Caught out now arent u.

Women were banned for dead naming him.and everything

And there is a signed article by 'Ian Lian Huntley' from 2017

I don't understand this. It's claimed that Lian is the female equivalent of Ian, when manifestly it isn't; and if he were, as alleged, using a female name instead of Ian, why has he signed that as Ian?

It's also worth pointing out that true or false this story couldn't even exist without the push for and commonplace acceptance in some circles of Self ID.

If it was a true story Huntley couldn't have claimed to be Trans without the propaganda train of Self ID.

If it was a false story the media couldn't have claimed he was Trans without the propaganda train of Self ID.

Old news really. But if this is true we must remember that this is a man who was convicted of a terrible crime against children. Why should I care?
He’s not the smartest person in the country. Remember his bullshit afterwards as he was asked questions about those two boys he slaughtered for no reason?

This is how he autographed newspaper cuttings for 'friends' in 2017.

Old news really. But if this is true we must remember that this is a man who was convicted of a terrible crime against children. Why should I care?

Because this made up story was used to argue for a rolling back of trans rights.

That's why you should care and I genuinely can't believe I actually have to explain that.

Huntley is a psychopath. When you see people like him in court, they operate on a completely different planet to everyone else. They can say one thing is the truth, then the next minute say the opposite thing is the truth and they make you believe it. They are gaslighter extraordinaires.

The ‘correction’ has been placed there for a reason. I don’t know the reason yet, but if I were the editor, I would have only put that correction in so that in a few months, when Huntley claims one again to be a woman, or a dragon, or a leaopard, I could refer back to it. There’s something afoot, and it’s probably not what we think it is.

Jeremy Vine knows this, of course, with his pedigree. But he’s using it for his own Twitter capital.

Because this made up story was used to argue for a rolling back of trans rights.

Which rights?

So he's Ian Lian Huntley.

So non-binary now presumably. I'll just check the trans umbrella. Yep, he's still trans.

The Woke Stasi can get back to defending him now.

There's no 'right' that Transwomen have to be in female prisions. there's nothing to roll back.

Because this made up story was used to argue for a rolling back of trans rights.

Would that be the rights of male rapists and murderers to be housed in female prisons? You think that is some kind of human right?

Op you seem confused, which right do you think this took away?

Spinabifidamom
Check your sources and also your posts
Huntley didn't murder two boys

Because this made up story was used to argue for a rolling back of trans rights.

What rights would those be? That males who identify as female should be locked up in the women's estate?

That's not a right, that's a ridiculous entitled misogynist demand.

Because this made up story was used to argue for a rolling back of trans rights.

The rights of violent trans males to be house in women's prisons?

OP, as you know, there have been two separate stories. The first story, which appeared in the Sun and elsewhere, stated that Ian Huntley wanted to be known as Lian. The more recent story in the Star - the one that Huntley denied - had all the detail about wanting to be called Nicola, and the wig and so on.

It could be that none of it is true. (Though the timing is interesting, coming immediately after the announcement that transgender women will no longer automatically be transferred to the women's estate.) Or it could be that the first story is true - who knows what the "Ian Lian Huntley" signature demonstrates?

The point about it, surely, is that it demonstrates a principle. What if a child murderer did decide to announce he was a trans woman? What should we do about it? It's nothing to do with attacking trans people, it's entirely about the potential abuse of self--ID, which we have explained a million times and yet which people like Jeremy Vine are apparently too thick to understand.

Yes, all this proves is that accepting anyone’s claim to be a woman is highly problematic.

It is predominantly TRAs who are claiming that everyone used Ian Huntley to smear all trans gender people as criminals or sex offenders. Perhaps other people were claiming that too, but what I saw from feminists and women on Twitter was the argument that IF Ian Huntley gets to be a woman just because he says so, and the gets into women’s prisons, surely this is evidence of the massive safeguarding fail caused by Self-ID. And yes, people saying that of all the people whose pronouns you could respect, a lying child killer probably isn’t the one they’d choose to go out on a limb for.

I never called Ian Huntley a woman (was careful not to explicitly call him a man and this didn’t get banned from Twitter I like others...). I couldn’t care less what he’d like to make clear. But I imagine a lot of dead namers and miagenderers on Twitter who used female pronouns are now self flagellating as so many of us women who argued against him were told to do?

I was unclear in my opening sentence - I mean accepting the claims of any person (without GRC etc) to be a woman is problematic if done unquestioningly.

I think we should definitely care.

First because this story was used to foment fears that had already arisen from Karen White etc, and to escalate existing fears, and I'm sure that it did cause real upset to ordinary trans people who do not deserve this horrendous appropriation of their identities by convicted sex offenders, much less to have the same attributed to one who isn't even claiming it.

Second because as soon as a rumour started that a convicted lying violent psychopath was trans, armies of the woke started patrolling social media to protect 'her' rights. Women were not being suspended from Twitter because Twitter thought the rumour was untrue, but because Twitter thought the rumour was true.

Both are pretty shocking.

My concern was the length some people were going to to defend huntley, demand we all use correct pronouns etc etc. It was astonishing. Rapist hill indeed.

Quite.

Obviously stories should not just be made up, however, the reaction to it was what I found 'interesting'. Many TRAs kicking off that people refused to use 'she' and really, does it make a difference WHO it is? Someone would do it. And has since. Its predatory men who are the issue..and predatory men, regardless of how well known their name is, will take advantage while there is a way to.

Because this made up story was used to argue for a rolling back of trans rights

No it highlighted the insanity of self ID and the lengths people will go to to defend it. Here is lib dem Alisdair McGregor defending Ian Huntleys right not to be deadnamed. This for me is the story.

Acceptance without exception.

Look, here's the important thing: no one here ever believed that Huntley was genuinely trans. No one thought that Huntley, deep down, believed himself to be a woman. We all thought that he was making it up in the hope of being transferred to a women's prison.

The only people who took Huntley at his word were trans activists. They were the ones who started going on about how we shouldn't misgender Huntley, and how we shouldn't "stoop to his level."

What does that tell you? What it ought to tell you is that the only people making trans people look bad were trans activists.

The fact that people like Jeremy Vine and the OP are now using this as a stick to beat up gender-critical feminists just goes to show how completely ludicrous and screwed up this entire debate has become.

twitter.com/janefae/status/1094937617869750272?s=21

Fae has chipped in on Jeremy Vine’s twitter feed saying “You might wonder whether we should be so quick to take the words of people who are, by defninition, criminals”

Well, yes, duhh!!! That’s pretty much what we’ve been saying all along!!!!