Womb transplants for trans women are a human right, says surgeon

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-women-should-entitled-womb-13972102

"Because once the medical community accept this as a treatment for cis-women with uterine infertility, such as congenital absence of a womb, then it would be illegal to deny a trans-female who has completed her transition.

"The most important step is the harvesting from the donor as great care is required to avoid damage to the arteries and veins supplying the uterus.
Trans females have a much narrower pelvis than cis-women of the same height, but there would still be room for them to carry a child.

“Supplemental hormones could be taken to replicate the changes that occur in the body when a woman is pregnant.

misscockerspaniel

As far as I know, Jane Fae has had the full op. No sperm.

But yes, a lot of pressure is being brought to freeze the eggs and sperm of trans children. I'm not quite sure how you do that, given puberty blockers.

But nonetheless, there is pressure.

None of which i suppprt.

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3374614-John-Ozimek-now-Jane-Fae-on-women-feminists-and-victims-of-pornographers

The most likely match would be a sibling, ie a sister.

Which I think raises some potential ethical issues. Or at the very least, some difficult decisions.

Oh... crying..?

Yes, yes of course.

We're on the same wavelength there Bowl!

If my brother turned round one day and said from now on I'm going to be known as Margaret, and I want your uterus Coach to have a baby. I'd tell him to fuck off 😂

I don't understand how as a society we have got to the point where having children has become some sort of pseudo human right! It's really not, and nobody has the right to experiment on a unborn child for some giant science experiment.

It’s a trans human agenda and no good will come of it.

”Nobody has a right to reproduce. Nobody has a right to anyone else's body parts either before or after they die. I don't see how you think this is a trans rights issue when nobody else has the right to womb transplants either.”

100% correct, @Bittermints - people die waiting for organ transplants, so it beggars belief that these trans activists think it is their ‘right’ to have a womb transplant. They don’t give a shiny shite about people who need livers or kidneys, lungs or hearts - as long as their right to feel female is upheld.

"really really wanting it" has always been the only reason given for why trans"women" get their "rights". Since they are men, this has always been enough reason for those "rights" to be extended to them.

Yes, would be a womb implant if there are ever any going spare after all the women that need them get their transplants.

Like that's ever going to happen frankly, I do see that what's happening is their apparent 'rights' being the only ones that are actually important.

I would be deleted if I said what I really thought about the sort of pathetic man who thinks women idealise about 1. Being prom queens and 2. Dating movie stars...
We. Are. Not. Caricatures. From. Your. Fave. Teen. Movie. Ffs.

I would also be deleted if I expressed my anger at entitled assholes appropriating motherhood. That one gives me the proper Mad on the Internet. Especially one who has seen his female partner become a mother to his child, yet still can only see his reflection in the narcissist's mirror...

Oh for the love of Mike! I have just read that drivelling nonsense by Jane Fae about how much she wished she could have experienced birth. You'd have been welcome to my first time experience Jane - 36 hours of labour, then an attempt at a forceps delivery, and when that failed an emergency caesar.

I want to hit something.

So, after a cs there is a risk of uterine rupture. A significant risk.

Women are advised to wait a year (?) at least before getting pregnant again to reduce this risk.

But they are going to implant a uterus into a hostile environment, pump it full of drugs to impair the immune system, increasing the risk of infection, then implant an embryo after 6 months.

I had cs because the risk to mine/baby’s health with a vaginal birth was too great. I wonder if i’d insisted on a vaginal birth because the experience was important to my feelings as a woman, they’d have repected my “rights”, or questioned my capacity to make decisions in my own best interests and those of the baby?

It’s insanity. I wonder when transwomen and their babies actually start dying will they decide that the “experience” of pregnancy and birth is not as important as they thought...

What are trans rights

Well since 'trans' is generally used to mean 'not, but claim to be', then trans rights must be 'not rights, but claim to be rights'.

That Fae article is so perverse and disgusting. Could you get any more Norman Bates than wanting to have your own mother's ovaries and uterus (would it include the cervix and vagina?) cut out and implanted into a surgical cavity in your abdomen and to give birth to your own siblings through it? Most people reach for a bag to be sick in, not a tissue to dab happy bitter-sweet tears on hearing a sick Dr Frankenstein meets Frizl meets Alfred Hitchock horrorshow narrative like that.

I should’ve been a 6 foot, stick thin supermodel with perfect teeth and a million quid in the bank.

Boo hoo at the unfairness of life.

Apologies for keep bumping the thread- it's preying on my mind. But as others have said this is all about pushing the Overton window towards normalising a sicko psychopathic transhumanist fantasy of dissassembling and reassembling humans like lego.

In Fae's article it is also pushing another taboo- about incest - into the acceptable frame isn't it? The idea of a mother's sex organs being planted into her son. It is Frizl in reverse.

Furthermore I think it is utterly calculating. The Ed Gein element of AGP is in desperate need of a re-brand. Gone are the days it is only radical lesbian feminists objecting, so guilting and shaming lesbians about cock-avoidance is no longer enough by itself.

Now that mums have started to join in and the movement us growing, the narrative needs tweaking. So now instead of us mums seeing AGPs as sick men wanting to climb inside or skins, open us up and take our wombs and wear our breasts, we should see them as our own sons, our own children, desperate to be mums themselves one day, just like us - what mother wouldn't want to give her own beloved child the ultimate gift - motherhood?

The only problem is Fae is utterly clueless about female psychology and the psychology of motherhood and the reality of how difficult and dangerous giving birth can be. Fae doesnt realise that males' fantasies about being pregnant and giving birth themselves are a fucking insult to every woman who has ever done it. It just gives us the creeps.

You are 100% right, @WeRiseUp - the whole thing gives me the creeps - actually, worrying about it keeps me awake at night.

I am so angry about the way some transactivists want to silence and erase women, or to gaslight us into thinking we are privileged to be women - conveniently ignoring the many ways in which we are still discriminated against, and the struggles we have had to get to our current position. Trans activism doesn’t want to have to struggle for the rights they think they deserve - they just want to take them away from women, who have fought for them.

I am angry about the transitioning of children, the promotion of damaging medical and surgical treatments with lifelong side effects and damage.

I am angry about the potential erasure of women’s sports. I feel sorry for Caster Semenya, but I do not think it is fair for her to compete against genetically female opponents. Rachel McKinnon should be ashamed of cheating their way to a cycling world record.

Trans activism wants our words, our womanhood, our safety and our rights, and I am furious.

WeRiseUp

Brava.

Trans activism wants our words, our womanhood, our safety and our rights, and I am furious.

Me too. And each day more people see it.

I had cs because the risk to mine/baby’s health with a vaginal birth was too great. I wonder if i’d insisted on a vaginal birth because the experience was important to my feelings as a woman, they’d have repected my “rights”, or questioned my capacity to make decisions in my own best interests and those of the baby?

Yes, this.

And also everything WeRiseUp wrote so eloquently. The thing is, TRAs like Fae are so narcissistic that they'll never understand female psychology. Their idea of 'woman' is so very very far from the reality of most actual women that all their ideas about how to manipulate us are wrong too.

Their idea of 'woman' is so very very far from the reality of most actual women that all their ideas about how to manipulate us are wrong too.

Oh yes. The number of times women get called men! Because they think it's going to be painful for them. Nope.

Or ugly, old, saggy, not feminine, not feminist, etc. Still nope.

It's the play ground level of, I know you are, but what am I? Completely ineffectual.

Experts are clear: at some point in the next decade or so a trans woman will receive a uterus.

Experts are clear? I have seen only one 'expert' stating this is possible. Most seem to agree its bloody bonkers.

Even if they do receive a uterus, I think th careful balance of hormones needed for the trans woman to carry a child to term is beyond the skills of the medical profession at the moment, and I see no indication that they will acquire this skill any time soon.

Has anyone (apart from us wicked TERFs, of course) stopped to consider the damage that anti-rejection drugs might cause a growing foetus, or the risks to that foetus if the hormone babalnce isn’t correct throughout the pregnancy? Somehow I doubt it.

I suspect that the trans activists understand so little about actually being a woman that they think all you need is a uterus and a fertilised ovum - if women can do it, it can’t be that complex, can it!

Also, if they are going to suggest that FtM trans people could donate their uteruses to MtF trans people, they will have to stop promoting puberty blockers to prepubescent children, otherwise they will only have underdeveloped, infertile organs to transplant.

It is also very interesting that there appears to be no suggestion that FtM trans people have a ‘right’ to have a penis and testicles transplant - probably because the trans activists are filled with horror at the thought of losing their precious penises - male entitlement at its finest - they want everything they think women have but without having to give anything up.

Also, if they are going to suggest that FtM trans people could donate their uteruses to MtF trans people, they will have to stop promoting puberty blockers to prepubescent children, otherwise they will only have underdeveloped, infertile organs to transplant.

I guess that's maybe why Fae is suggesting the mothers of prospective uterus implant recipients should donate to their own male children. Perhaps the flaw in the FTM scheme has been realised.

Fae is suggesting the mothers of prospective uterus implant recipients should donate to their own male children.

But we know that it will really be late middle aged men wanting their own teenaged daughters to donate their wombs. They can then get all excited about entering their 'second puberty' and getting to 'be a mum' and not be eaten up with perverse and bitter envy about the life and dreams their daughter has ahead of her. No need to 'come out' to her the day before she takes her A level exams. Oh the thought of it! Makes you reach for the tissues...

Genetics mean that mothers would be extremely unlikely to be a tissue type match and so would not be able to donate. The most likely match would be a sister.