Womb transplants for trans women are a human right, says surgeon

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-women-should-entitled-womb-13972102

"Because once the medical community accept this as a treatment for cis-women with uterine infertility, such as congenital absence of a womb, then it would be illegal to deny a trans-female who has completed her transition.

"The most important step is the harvesting from the donor as great care is required to avoid damage to the arteries and veins supplying the uterus.
Trans females have a much narrower pelvis than cis-women of the same height, but there would still be room for them to carry a child.

“Supplemental hormones could be taken to replicate the changes that occur in the body when a woman is pregnant.

It's frightening that a surgeon would say this.

Besides the obvious biology impossibility, it would surely be massively unethical to attempt any kind of testing to prove it was thus.

biological impossibility, that should have been.

I can’t believe this tbh. Womb transplant in a male body is a non-starter, surely? It would be putting two lives at great risk, for a completely experimental and non-essential procedure. I can’t see how it would ever get past and ethics committee?

I don’t want my organs used for this nonsense.

Idiotic, dangerous and unnecessary.
Research money could be far better spent. Let’s hope this horrible suggestion never gets off the ground.

I'm in Wales with presumed consent with regards to organ donation... which I am happy with. Can I opt out of uterus donation?

Its absurd, and shows a complete denial of reality. It's disturbing that someone would push an ideology over medical ethics.

great care is required to avoid damage to the arteries and veins supplying the uterus

And if that means causing more scaring and long term damage to the ‘actual’ female, who cares? Misogynistic prick.

Do one Jazzbunny.

It's not prejudiced to be creeped out by this, particularly in the feminist section of a predominantly female site. Where the hell do you think the wombs are going to come from? Women...

Also Jazz do you understand carrying a child is more complicated than just having an organ to stick it in?

I am wondering is there any far right racism hidden here too

yes, we keep it under the stairs, right next to biological reality

why don't you take a look?

@Jazzbunny the difference is that they are women. To try to insert a uterus into a male body is nothing like the same operation. It is to completely deny biological reality.

The most important step is the harvesting from the donor as great care is required to avoid damage to the arteries and veins supplying the uterus.
"The actual “plumbing in” is straight forward.

Sorry that should be in bold!
Jesus Christ he's talking like this person is a washing machine . I'm no doctor but even if it could be transplanted it takes more than a womb to carry a pregnancy to term?!!!!

This is beyond fucked up. I too will opt out of my organs being used to furnish a mans vanity project.

And yes Jazzbunny, do one.

ODFOD Jazzbunny. Nothing „racist“ about finding these unnecessary and dangerous procedures grotesque in the extreme. Transwomen aren’t missing any organs. Some of them just think they should be able to demand the ones they don’t have. Sorry, no.

Jazz it's not hate to dislike this. I have a friend who has opted out of eye related donations because that creeps her out. She's not blindphobic. It's her body and she can feel how she likes about it.

People buy organs from the less privileged it's wrong but it happens. This just means that women have another avenue they could potentially be exploited from.

carrying a child is more complicated than just having an organ to stick it in

yes

the main point here is not can we do this, but why would we do this?

the first baby gestated in a man's body would have a high chance of dying in utero as they'd basically be an experiment

why is the right of a man to gestate a baby more important than the safety of the baby he wants to gestate?

Women’s uteruses are not simply “plug and play”, ffs. There are complicated hormonal changes that take place during pregnancy. I am not sure whether medicine has advanced enough to be able to replicate the amazing things that women’s bodies do during conception and pregnancy.

And all of this is ignoring the huge ethical issues around experimenting in this way on foetuses!

Given the myriad of difficulties inherent in fertility for biological women, I can’t help but raise an eyebrow here. The whole endocrine system of a male is completely at odds with the survival of a functional womb. I don’t think it’s fascist to discuss this. Is it really a human right to be supplied with a part of a women’s body? Honestly if I had to pick a physical metaphor to represent male entitlement, it’s like a bloody Tate exhibit.

Yes that kind of implant should be absolutely fine. Because humans are just like Lego really. That’s all surgery is after all.
No womb? Click. No problem!

There's always some arrogant weirdo wanting to push boundaries, make a ton of money, or make a name for themselves. Just look at the cosmetic surgeons who keep on working on ppl who have irreversibly ruined their bodies already.

Is it possible to specify how you want your organs to be used (or not) in that much detail? If so, how? Because I'd also want my womb to go to a natural born female as a priority, who surely deserves it more than someone has mutilated their own body.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-women-should-entitled-womb-13972102

Mr Inglefield, a specialist in gender confirmation surgery as well as facial and body feminisation So he's a cosmetic surgeon, not a gynaecologist/obstetrician, not an endocrinologist, not a paediatrician. Clearly also not one to waste time pondering medical ethics, either.

Surely the NHS, which is struggling to do essential stuff, will never be expected to pay for 10-hour operations for trans women?

I also worry greatly about the pressure on young trans men to have hysterectomies, as there's already a research article that blithely talks about these young people as potential donors for trans women.

So — a womb is transplanted into a biological male, then a fertilised embryo, but how would the placenta be formed and grow? Surely it takes more than just a boosted blood supply?

The person would also have to take huge amounts of drugs to make sure the transplant was not rejected, alongside ++++pregnancy hormones.
So how likely is it that the embryo would develop normally, much less survive the pregnancy?

The ethical questions alone would be a nightmare.

Would women be deterred from carrying a donor card if their wombs were likely to be harvested for this purpose?

Well that's redirected my brexit anger. I'm stunned at the doctors who deny biological reality in order to be woke and line their own pockets. There are no words strong enough to describe them.