Womb transplants for trans women are a human right, says surgeon

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-women-should-entitled-womb-13972102

"Because once the medical community accept this as a treatment for cis-women with uterine infertility, such as congenital absence of a womb, then it would be illegal to deny a trans-female who has completed her transition.

"The most important step is the harvesting from the donor as great care is required to avoid damage to the arteries and veins supplying the uterus.
Trans females have a much narrower pelvis than cis-women of the same height, but there would still be room for them to carry a child.

“Supplemental hormones could be taken to replicate the changes that occur in the body when a woman is pregnant.

The way that women grow and nurture babies is still a mystery in so many respects. They can’t even replicate breast milk. How the hell are they going to pull this off?

@Jazzbunny:
Forgive my ignorance here, but I thought that a site called 'mumsnet' (a) presumes that you have a child - which I do

I don’t. I found MumsNet following a devastating ectopic pregnancy which nearly killed me. I am also a StepMum. Due to aforementioned cancer I can’t have kids. So no, I don’t forgive your ignorance.

(b) is aimed at supporting mothers with their children (hence 'mum')

No. It’s a site for everyone. Some of us have parenting issues with step kids. Some of us want info on infertility/ miscarriage etc. So no I still don’t forgive your ignorance.

But way to go on making women who come here to use this site as a safe space feel shit about themselves. Thanks for that.

We need a lesson on feminism? The cheek of that. After saying you thought this website was for mothers not feminism.
Fucks sake.

Nary a mention of the best interests of the child, which, thankfully, is still quite important in the UK, whatever experts in facial feminization surgery fancy might be the next money spinner.

Forgive my ignorance here, but I thought that a site called 'mumsnet...
(c) isn't really supposed to be out feminism at all...

It's going to be a little tricky to tell 12 million women not to talk about their rights.

But fair play to you for trying.

Bless.

Surely - as with any transplant - the recipient of the organ (and who would wish to willingly donate?) would be on a lifetime of drugs to suppress the body rejecting the alien organ.

This would be incompatible with pregnancy in a woman let alone a person whose body - and emotions - are incomparable with carrying a baby to term. Natural birth would surely be impossible too.

So the question is - why would a male wish to have this surgery? For the benefit of a child?

Jazz please feel free to report any tranphobia you see on here
As MN delete it PDQ

Interesting choice of username.

But... go ahead and bully the most vulnerable group in society if it makes you feel better about yourselves
The most vulnerable group? Are you mad?
Men who have experienced male entitlement declare themselves to be a woman and become the most vulnerable group in society?
It is sickening to hear that even suggested. Especially when in your own thread you talk about the amount of abuse that women suffer at the hands of men.
So for a bit of perspective, can you tell us how many of these extremely vulnerable transwomen have been murdered in the past decade?

As for the delusion of womb implants - if it was that simple, they could have hooked a uterus up to a blood supply to create an artificial incubator. It can't happen because it is SO much more complicated than that and the female body is an amazing thing.

And, @Jazzbunny... lastly this:
But... go ahead and bully the most vulnerable group in society if it makes you feel better about yourselves

Are you kidding me?! The majority of TRAs who will jump on this ‘medical advice’ are middle class, educated white men. They are NOT the most vulnerable group in society.

Go tell that to young non-white gay women and see how they feel about being told there are middle class white men who are more vulnerable than them

@LondonHuffyPuffy but they're not being trampled over nor eroded. If transwomen are women then their rights are the same. Women's rights are being trampled over by the alt-right and people like Trump. Men in power who think they can do what they like to women. This whole trans thing is just a waste of time and energy. Let's not pretend that this isn't a transphobic post. I'm not getting any, 'oh wow, wouldn't it be good if they could do that kind of surgery in the future. Perhaps they can't do it just yet, but imagine the possibilities if they could do it. Do you think a gender fluid society might finally rid us of our bondage to the patriarch?' What I'm getting is clear transphobic vibes.

Arguing with you is the same, a waste of time and energy. The real fight isn't here and it isn't against trans people. SO I am not going to comment anymore... I've said what I wanted to say. I hope you wake up and join the real fight because this transphobic rubbish isn't becoming... it is certainly not feminism.

Just read the newstory. Yikes and double yikes. Those doctors really do need to rethink their career choices and consider why they went into medicine.

*Forgive my ignorance here, but I thought that a site called 'mumsnet...
(c) isn't really supposed to be out feminism at all... *

Such sexism. And yet on another thread you accuse feminists of upholding gender.

Doesn't your head ache?

"wouldn't it be good if they could do that kind of surgery in the future. Perhaps they can't do it just yet, but imagine the possibilities if they could do it. Do you think a gender fluid society might finally rid us of our bondage to the patriarch?"

Do you know why you're not getting comments like that? Because they would be incredibly naive, gullible, trite and so on.

"Isn`t becoming"?

And are you in the US? Trump and the alt-right aren`t really the main concern in the UK.

But, youve said your piece now, so youre off. Ta ta for now.

Jazzbunny, I too am shocked at the anti-trans rhetoric here sometimes. I’m surprised it’s allowed and I don’t really understand why it counts as feminism.

In this case, as long as the wombs weren’t given from unwilling donors, there was no detrimental impact to natural born women awaiting the same treatment, and the medical community was certain there were no dangers to parent or child, why would this bother anyone else?

I know some of the trans-rights discussions (changing rooms, toilets) raises some safe guarding issues and I do understand that to an extent, but why the overall generalised anger towards the trans-community? People take their own lives over things like this.

We can fight on all fronts. Don’t worry. We’re good at multitasking.

Oh LondonHuffyPuffy, that’s a grim diagnosis, I’m so sorry. Not at all surprised you’re angry with this nonsense.

Men in power who think they can do what they like to women

I guess it's escaped your notice that quite a number of those now identify as TW and have not insignificant influence in this top down ideology.

FIL was a surgeon.

Impossible... his words.

Hey Divi there's no anti trans stuff on here. It's actually banned on the FWR board
But crack on

Sorry I meant to say report and it will be deleted

"People take their own lives over things like this."

This is irresponsible and manipulative.

@Divingintothis this surgeon is arguing that transwomen should be given the same priority as women for this procedure, so that would clearly be detrimental to them. Also, it couldn't possibly be safe for the transwoman or the baby. It's experimenting on babies, and I can't imagine it would ever be ethically approved. It's cruel to suggest to transwomen that this could ever be a possibility.

In this case, as long as the wombs weren’t given from unwilling donors, there was no detrimental impact to natural born women awaiting the same treatment, and the medical community was certain there were no dangers to parent or child, why would this bother anyone else?

Given most of the objections are in that paragraph, what do you think?

Unwilling donors? You mean poor women. Because it ain't going to be rich middle-class women who don't need the money who are going to do this.

And of course it's about the impact to the child. They're a human foetus, not a bloody guinea pig.

But it's also why?

One the characteristics of autogynephilia is the wholesale fetishisation of women's biology, including pregnancy. (See prosthetic pregnancy bumps).

Men with gender dysphoria are not in the slightest bit interested in having a womb implanted into their body.

So who are you left with?