Womb transplants for trans women are a human right, says surgeon

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-women-should-entitled-womb-13972102

"Because once the medical community accept this as a treatment for cis-women with uterine infertility, such as congenital absence of a womb, then it would be illegal to deny a trans-female who has completed her transition.

"The most important step is the harvesting from the donor as great care is required to avoid damage to the arteries and veins supplying the uterus.
Trans females have a much narrower pelvis than cis-women of the same height, but there would still be room for them to carry a child.

“Supplemental hormones could be taken to replicate the changes that occur in the body when a woman is pregnant.

Thanks Gerry and Martin (loving the irony of your names 😂😂😂)

What are they going to plumb it into?

HuffyPuffy so sorry. My sister had that.

It'll be very interesting, if this nonsense goes ahead, to see what happens with pre-eclampsia in these 'trans females' as the surgeon calls them. I think it's generally thought to be caused by the maternal body rejecting the fetus, so a male body that has received a uterus would surely have rejection problems? More drugs given I imagine. Poor babies.

Fuck me. There are no words.

So we have trans woman and cups women. Do men have a 'sub category ' ? Doubt it.

Men think they are entitled to female body parts shocker!

Surgeon Christopher Inglefield, founder of the London Transgender Clinic , says a successful uterus implant into a trans-female is achievable today.

I think, in medical ethics, that is what is known as a ^conflict of interest*.

“Because once the medical community accept this as a treatment for cis-women with uterine infertility, such as congenital absence of a womb, then it would be illegal to deny a trans-female who has completed her transition.

Oh my, the narcissism. If TWAW then it’s illegal to deny them uterus transplants.

Anyway - it’s all bollocks, clearly. I’m not sure a transplant will ever be the first line treatment for female infertility.

This was funny. Except it’s really not funny:

“Meanwhile it’s highly unlikely that a trans female would give birth naturally, but would be delivered via Caesarian section in order to safeguard the child.”

Oh, first mention of safeguarding the child!

Oooh, I'll have the Unicorn and chips please. Sorry? Oh, rare please, no marinade.

I don't get how that would work. It wouldn't be as "easy" as "just" transplanting a womb, surely?
I mean you'd need the right "plumbing" for starters, for want of a better word.
Placentas and all that and the ability for your body to grow a baby?
Hmm.

Really the problem with transplanting penises is how could you choose an aesthetically pleasing one. The choice is almost certainly poor.

it's highly unlikely that a trans female would give birth naturally
More like impossible. A 'neovagina' (or whatever they're calling it now) is not able to stretch or contract in the way that a vagina does. It's almost as if the vagina has been 'designed' specifically to expel a baby from the body. Oh wait ...

London and Martin - strength to you both

LMAO... 'I also worry greatly about the pressure on young trans men to have hysterectomies, as there's already a research article that blithely talks about these young people as potential donors for trans women.' And you claim not to be transphobic... seriously why are you worried at all? How is going to affect you? It has nothing to do with you and it won't affect you in the slightest.

Forgive my ignorance here, but I thought that a site called 'mumsnet' (a) presumes that you have a child - which I do.
(b) is aimed at supporting mothers with their children (hence 'mum')
(c) isn't really supposed to be out feminism at all... but while we are talking about feminism, don't you think that you are going for the wrong people here? Surely the entire idea is to remove the patriarchy and replace it with an equal society... or a matriarchy if you like. Going after a tiny minority, trans people is kind of missing the point of feminism. The people who need taking down are not the ones wanting to chop off their bits. Focusing on transwomen is playing into the hands of the patriarchal chauvinists. While you are all attacking the least threatening people, the ones who cause real damage to women are laughing at you. Attacking trans people is a waste of time, energy, and resources. You should be concentrating on attacking men who think it is fine to let their hands wonder. The ones who think it is fine to groom little girls. The ones who think they have a right to rape a woman simply because they are married to them. The ones who like to get 'physical' and use women as punch bags. The ones who treat you like you have nothing valuable to say or contribute, the ones who think you are just a hole to be used. Those are the ones who need bringing down, those are the ones who are dangerous. Not a bunch of transpeople who would probably help us bring down the dangerous men in this world if we only showed them a bit of compassion.

But... go ahead and bully the most vulnerable group in society if it makes you feel better about yourselves. I am pretty sure it is not transpeople who are bullying you and keeping you down. That's a different breed of person... that's the kind of person who calls themselves, 'A 'real' MAN' not the kind who calls themselves 'a woman'.

You need a lesson in feminism if you think attacking transpeople is going to win women a position of true power, equal to men.

it's highly unlikely that a trans female would give birth naturally

Highly unlikely? I'd have thought it'd have been impossible more like.
Pushing through the birth canal etc? How?!

Glitterstick it's not possible as things stand at the moment. Pregnancy is increasingly being discovered to be a whole body process, rather than just something that takes place within the reproductive system, so even if an actual implant could be safely performed a succesful pregnancy would be a different matter.

London shout away! Totally understand your anger.

Thanks. @Ancient and @Humber

I am sorry for being shouty. I know I am not the first or last woman this will happen to. Ancientnis your sister doing ok right now? It’s a fucking minefield

Actually I wonder if, as a result of trans wome receiving hormone treatment, there will be an increase in IBC and other hormone related cancers? Oh the irony... I bet there will be better education, diagnostic tools and treatment if men start getting it 🤬

Jazzbunny - I'm not bullying or mocking for one, honestly (seriously, look at my other posts if you like, they usually hate me on here as I hate the blatant transphobia from some on these boards, probably confusing the hell out of them agreeing with them now though!)
Seriously, though surely it wouldn't even work as an idea. It wouldn't be as easy as just implanting a womb.

Oh dear @Jazzbunny.

Telling transwomen that they may be able to have a uterus transplant and maintain a pregnancy is cruel and a lie. This plastic surgeon has a massive interest in persuading people to have expensive surgery. It's unethical. If you think that discussing this is "transphobic" then I'm not sure you understand what the word means.

@Jazzbunny... with the greatest respect, I don’t think that being a bit pissed off that a so-called medical professional advocating for uterine transplants is bullying trans women.

And whilst we are on the subject of bullying, have you seen the TRA movement laughing and jeering and threatening rape of natal women who don’t acquiesce to their demands? I know they are only a small group of trans people but they are politically savvy and their voices are being heard. In the meantime, women who object to

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Object to the ways in which women’s rights are being eroded and trampled over for the sake of trans women’s rights, are shouted down, are abused and bullied online, simply because we object? Because we dare to try to have a voice over a massively entitled misogynistic group of men?

GlitterStick in the article, it suggests a C section would be necessary.

London that point is basically made in the article:

"Womb transplant surgery is being seen as a major cause for hope for those who suffer from Mayer-Rokitansky-Kuster-Hauser (MRKH) syndrome.

This is [the 1 in 4500 women condition] when a woman fails to develop a proper uterus and vagina yet has normal ovarian functions and normal external genitalia.

"But Mr Inglefield, who appeared in ITV's fly-on-the wall documentary Transformation Street, says the demand among trans women could be far greater.

He added: “According to some estimates, the prevalence of transgender females in the UK could be as high as 1,000 per 100,000 persons, around 1 per cent of the population.

“Just looking at the potential number of trans females who might seek uterine transplantation surgery and it’s abundantly clear it could become a vital medical service."

In other words, Mr. Inglefield doesn't give a shit about the women with MRKH, he sees them only as a tool to open the door to implant wombs into men.

"it’s abundantly clear it could become a vital medical service."

It's a vital medical service if lots of men want it, in other words.

Otherwise known as 'not vital at all'

They can’t resolve a significant variety of fertility (& pregnancy) problems for those born with wombs so lord only knows how they expect to be able to make pregnancy a reality for trans women. I’m chalking this one up as trans surgeons looking for a little publicity at a time when media outlets might be willing to pick up nonsense stories to fuel an increasingly tetchy debate.

GlitterStick in the article, it suggests a C section would be necessary

That's what I thought, that'd it have to be caesarean. Even then though, no, it wouldn't even work as it's not just like plant a baby growing bag in someone and voila, baby 9 months later
It's a whole process.