Anyone here not hate trans people?

[supermamabear]

Just asking as I’m new to MN and appalled at the threads in here D:

I don't hate anyone unless you're a knob then I still won't hate you but I'll seriously dislike you hahaha

No wait I hate Donald Trump but other than that surely in 2019 we should have more tolerance for people regardless of whether they're big / fat / tall / small / black / white / gay / straight / tattoo'd / smoke / drink / old / young and any other characteristics that makes us who we each are /choose to present as.

We each have a right to think what we like but openly discriminating against any particular group of people is wrong. Life is hard enough without facing prejudice from people. Fine if you don't / won't understand personal preferences but just keep your mouth zipped.

I don’t hate trans people. Not at all. I hate the practice of encouraging adopting transwomen as “women”, the erasing of the recognition of women and of their rights and spaces, of the misogyny propagated by enforcing gender roles that is rife in the transgender movement, reducing the idea of women go caricatures, and the outright bullying and encouragement of violence against women who are asking for caution to be exercised in transing children, in fighting to preserve their spaces, and so on.

Funky
The ‘house’ in question was a boarding house so safeguarding concerns were legitimate.

The only way to believe that trans women are women and trans men are men in spite of the biological reality is to believe in gendered souls and also to believe that gender stereotypes are somehow set in stone and therefore have some validity. I don't believe in the existence of souls, full stop, so why would I believe in a gendered one? I think gender stereotypes are harmful and I certainly don't think they have any validity (hence the fact that there are different stereotypes at different times and in different cultures). I feel desperately sorry for anyone experiencing dysphoria, for whatever reason. I feel extreme impatience with certain kinds of attention-seeking behaviour, whatever form it takes and whatever the underlying reason, and I feel considerable apprehension about the loss of some sex-based rights. None of this adds up to hating trans people.

I don't hate trans people.

What I do hate is people who start threads and then never bother coming back to them.

Justkeepswimming rubbish. The mother did not know that the child was a boarder. The not wanting to be in the same house was separate from not wanting to share facilities. She even wanted a guarantee that this kid didn’t get any drama roles. When you’re sticking up for shit like that it’s time to look in the mirror. She said she didn’t know whether the kid boarded but did not want her daughter in the same house. Disgrace.

Funky (sorry don’t know how to bold.. just delurking slowly!)
At my children’s school even day pupils have a bed and a desk in a dorm with up to 4 others. They do their prep in there and spend a lot of downtime during the day in there. They keep all their kit in their dorm and get changed for games/put jamas on before prep etc in there. I know the trans child may go elsewhere to change.. but what about the girls? Should they then have to go elsewhere to change if they feel uncomfortable with a trans girl who was only last term a boy? What if they are caught short with their period and have to run back to the dorm to get tampons? Just thought it was worth noting. I feel desperately sorry for this trans girl - it’s a terrible situation for them to be in. Not the other girls’ problem though.

Why is this thread being TAATed?

I dunno lang

Its quite ruining my "fuck off wednesday" groove

perfectly

Nice one

I’ve just eaten white chocolate cake

Wednesday is looking up

Oops 😬 sorry..

I don't hate transpeople. Much like I don't hate my grandad, but I don't want to share a communal changing room with him.

Don’t worry Justkeepswiming I thought your post was very informative

You're forgiven just

Hmm. Waves at OP.

I tend not to hate people, and indeed through this process have come to admire honest people with different backgrounds and views to myself...including some transgender people.

When this is all over and the recriminations, from those whose bodies have been mutilated, start, the two people I would most like to see held to account are Ruth Hunt and Susie Green. Both women.

I am not sure. Is that because this is what women do to each other. Or simply because they should I feel they should know better.

Maria Miller can join Ruth and Susie in the spotlight. Uber feminist Lynne Featherstone too

Justkeepswimming a day pupil does not board. Where is the danger to the DD if she is not sharing sleeping space or changing space with this child? And the drama thing? Pure transphobia. That thread and others and especially people's responses to it have made me see this in a new light. I am gender critical but this is going too far.

I don't hate Transwomen.

I am concerned that some people don't understand biology though.

And I get pissed off with being told I'm doing womening wrong.

I’m trying not to be enticed into a taat. It’s hard. Funky please reread my post.

Funky

The OP on that thread raised many valid safeguarding questions. Some of them were awkwardly worded but that's what often happens when you feel you aren't allowed to debate or ask questions. And yes maybe they were fuelled by fear but not hate and not transphobic. Just summed it up perfectly.

I don't believe there is hate or transphobia here. There's a lot of concerned and angry people though. And that can sound loud and scary sometimes.

I’m shocked that the OP hasn’t returned, shocked I tell you.

just

Apologies Biscuit Fans for also derailing a bit.

I'll have that custard cream if there's no other takers? ...

I’m going to call it at 16:39...

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