Anyone here not hate trans people?

[supermamabear]

Just asking as I’m new to MN and appalled at the threads in here D:

So you're new here but on another thread you're telling a poster to be careful on here because of all the hatred.
It's a bit stupid to ask a question when you've decided what the answer will be. They rarely match up
Good luck with the screenshots
Don't think you'll get many though.

I hate misogynists. Many trans rights activists are misogynists. I really hate them. Does that help?

What OnTheHop said.

I doubt very much bear is coming back.

I don't hate trans people. HTH

Protecting women's legal rights =/= transphobia

So. Tedious.

Back a couple of years, I was regularly visiting a site called Fundies (Fundamentalists) Say the Darndest Things.

It was back in the Bush era, when the American Evangelical Right seemed the largest stumbling block to progressive values. Left or Rightwing social libertarians were united in opposing them and FSTDT would collect various quotes from religious or ideological bigots so that we could unite over mocking them.

(Not just religious stuff, either - lots of misogyny was called out, I saw the rise of the incel movement and regular highlighting of Pick-Up-Artist sexism before it was a widely known thing... but anyway)

This was before gay marriage and oh, my god, Fundies hated gay people. Gay people were a constant threat. Christian mothers fretted over their sons being raped in toilets or their daughters catching lesbianism. Any sort of media appearance that validated gay people was an attack on good moral values - more importantly, it was an attack on people's right to be bigoted. There was huge talk about the Gay Agenda. Pagan neo-nazis and christian pastors would put aside their differences to trace the funding paths for civil rights organisations, claiming they proved a Big Gay (and maybe jewish!) Conspiracy. A repeated refrain was that it was an attack on Traditional Manhood and Traditional Womanhood (for the religious) or the promotion of Unnatural, Artificially Socially Engineered Post-Modern Cultural Marxist Lifestyles (for the non-religiously bigoted). FSTDT was filled with these messages, culled from forums all over the web. And it was great, these frothing polemics from the prejudiced, watching the fortresses of their privilege collapsing around them. I really enjoyed it.

I haven't been back for a while. After the Bush era the rise of identity politics fractured the site between those who believed in free speech (even if they chose to mock the output) and those who believed in political correctness. But I missed the (often well-written) frothings of irrational fear, the crumbling 'logical' edifices being used to prop up excuses for bigotry.

Then trans issues started turning up on Mumsnet, and I don't miss FSTDT any more.

I am similarly saddened by much of what is posted about transgender people. I find the vast majority of it disgusting offensive, transphobic and homophobic too at times. As a lesbian I object to my identity being coopted by mostly straight women to make an argument so vehemently opposed to human empathy and understanding.

When I first started reading this board, I had a similar reaction to you OP. Then I looked a little deeper, and started to really listen to the intelligent and well informed women (and trans people actually) that post here. Give it a chance, you could learn a lot. It's definitely not about hate for trans people but protection of women's rights, dignity and safety.

Hate is a very strong word. I don’t even hate the people who have seriously wronged me, and there have been a few. Everyone is human after all and we all have our own issues. I know several trans people, some of whom I like and some of whom not so much. I have no opinion on the people I don’t know personally.

Lots of talk of hating people being bandied around, although not that I’ve seen from the GC women on this board. I wonder if there’s a bit of projection going on? I find it helps to realise that people have their own reasons for thinking the things they do, and most people are motivated by their own self interest, and most people don’t have the time or the motivation to make their own self interest hate. Empathy is a good and useful quality I find, it tends to save lots of time and energy where disagreement is concerned.

Oh don't be such a fuckwit.

My friends' lovely daughters have been caught up in all this crap and three of them now think they are boys, want mastectomies and sterilization.

Anyone loving those kids would be concerned.

Anyone wanting them to choose to do that to themselves must really hate those girls.

No hate here.

Like the majority in FWR my concerns are the safeguarding of children, and women continuing to be entitled to have their single sex spaces.

One extra thing I'm concerned about is something that looks like an anti-science and authoritarian ideology being inserted into the laws of the UK.

I don’t
I don’t hate anyone for reasons like religion gender etc.

Hate no one.

Hate what some people do, sometimes.

Wow, what a great OP. So clever and not goady at all.

Nuance, subtlety, and distinction may not be your strong points.
The world is not Black & white.

Solution: Read with open mind and engage in substantive debate, not sloganeering.

No hate here*. In fact I still actively sign petitions and so on for trans people to be given equal rights and not discriminated against. (Not being wrongly imprisoned for example, as in one case in the US, and not being discriminated against in employment and similar, except for the minimal and reasonable legal exceptions that exist to protect women and girls - and which are anyway based on sex, not trans status). But "equal" rights does not mean "whatever you want", and it does not mean other people should have to give up their rights. Everyone has the right to safe spaces, for example, but nobody has the right to demand access to the safe spaces of other protected groups when that will reduce the safety of those groups.

In fact one of the things that made me most concerned about the ideology was concern for a young person I know (slightly) who is transitioning currently, but who appears to be extremely vulnerable and I am very worried that this is only going to make things worse for them ultimately, not better.

However, I cannot and will not stand for women's and girls' rights being trampled in the way that the transactivist ideology is demanding, nor for people being forced to agree with and base policies on claims that are basically not true.

*Actually I reserve the right to a bit of hate for the likes of Karen White, Hambrook etc. But that has nothing to do with them being trans, it's all about the "being a scummy rapist" thing.

I don't hate transpeople. I feel huge sympathy for people with gender dysphoria.

I don't hate men either.

I am not much of a fan of people who try to remove the rights and protections of women and girls though.

‘Mostly straight women’
how has this been calculated as a proportion of FWR posters?

Or did you mean women who are ‘not straight all the time’

Asking for a friend.

I don’t hate trans people

I do hate children being encouraged to take hormone drugs because they feel like they should be the opposite sex, and then having surgery. I hate that by doing this they are effectively being sterilised

I hate that women’s rights are being eroded as apparently trans women deserve more privacy and right to life than women do

I hate that lesbians now are being referred to as transphobic because they refuse to have sex with a “lady dick”

I hate that a trans woman can get a woman kicked out of a women’s shelter because they don’t want to share a room with a “woman with a penis”

I hate women are being pushed out of the sporting world because trans women are taking over

I hate that women are no longer safe in bathrooms, doctors surgery’s, rape clinics, hospitals, gyms or anywhere exclusively female, as “women” with a penis now have full right to attend.

I don’t hate trans people. I hate what is currently going on.

I've been accosted in the street by a transperson, who clearly wanted to start a heated argument with me. No hate, I attempted to talk reasonably but there was no interest, just anger. Towards me.

I don't hate anyone.

Hth.

OP hasn’t been back. They accuse everyone of hate, then don’t stick around to discuss. Well well well.

I don't get trans people.

Not keen on liars, though. Or goady fuckers.

Get = hate