I used the girls' room for the first time today

[GrinitchSpinach]

from reddit mtf:

all comments affirming. They are delighted to have actual women apologizing for being in the 'wrong' place in the women's room. Absolutely no understanding of the fear any woman or girl might feel encountering a male person in a vulnerable, isolated space. Also: "little girls' room" for a 19 y.o. person...

I did not say 'just be nice' - I was commenting on the post that suggested calling security if a transwoman was in the ladies toilets and I suggested that showing compassion could be an alternative response.

I can now see that the tone of the board is clearly anti-trans, so I'll leave.

The 'tone' of the board is pro-women's rights & pro-safeguarding children.

If I come home and find a man (unknown to me) in my house, I may deduce that he is likely seeking to steal sufficient items to fund his heroin addiction & I could be very compassionate as to the likely impact on his life. I have insight into the impact of additction/homelessness etc. Aquisitive crime also impacts the victims.

However he could be there with the intention of sexual assault.

The only facts in this hypothetical situation are that an unknown man is in my house having broken in.

Whilst Layla Moran MP may believe she can 'see people's souls', the vast majority of us do not and our ability to identify potential risk and respond appropriately should not be compromised.

Because "no one's given me shit" means all those women and girls you imposed yourself on were totally cool with it, and not afraid of you, right, buddy?

Oh oh oh I forgot to say: this person took a selfie in the bathroom mirror (reminiscent of our tampon-loving friend) and posted it.

I didn't post the picture here as didn't want discussion to focus on the person's looks. I will say, though, that if I saw the person in the ladies' room I too might reflexively apologize and high-tail it out of there, out of self-protective instinct.

GrinitchSpinach That comment exemplifies male-entitlement and demonstrates an utter absence of empathy and self awareness.

"Why can't we be nice" - and play along with some stranger's sexual fantasy?
No thanks.

I can now see that the tone of the board is clearly anti-trans, so I'll leave.

You might want to dismantle sex segregation, but many women don't. It doesn't make them anti trans. It makes them pro sex segregation.

Interesting how you don't call the people who won't listen, and ride rough shod over what women want, anti women, though.

I can now see that the tone of the board is clearly anti-trans, so I'll leave.

The board is FWR so it centres the safety, dignity and rights of women and girls not the feelings and demands of men.

HTH

I can now see that the tone of the board is clearly anti-trans, so I'll leave.

Again and again we see it.
If we dont acquiesce, and accept the backlash against our hard fought for rights, we are anti-trans.

When will you peeps just admit it, the trans movement has as its central aim the subordination and denigration of natal women and the lowering of basic safeguarding policies for both women and children?

How can any woman with self-respect, and with children to safeguard, support the movement in its current guise:

Blokes in our loos, changing rooms and domestic abuse shelters.

Our kids being groomed online to question their identity and actively encouraged on a path of life long medicalisation and surgery.

Drag queen acts, targeted at kids, in our libraries, with men engaging in sexually suggestive play with pre and primary school aged children.

Women's voices of dissent silenced and denigrated.

Still Spartacus.

Little girls' room, revelling in an apology, and being super excited?

So many red flags, I can't hold them all.

None so blind as those who won't see, Datun.

We've got the entire stock of a bunting shop waving crimson there and still we hear be kind. Yeah. Fuck right off with that.

the tone of the board is clearly anti-trans

As PPs have said, the tone of the board is pro-woman and pro-child protection.

The tone of the board is also anti-infantilising language used about women because it is a tactic employed by child groomers. If this red flag escapes you, you need to have a bloody good think.

Interesting how you don't call the people who won't listen, and ride rough shod over what women want, anti women, though. - how do you know I don't?

When will you peeps - who are 'you peeps'?

dogz can I ask if you have any compassion or concern for the feelings of women and girls? Is this something you might be willing to consider?

I never said you should respond with compassion, it was put forward as a suggestion of how to respond.

Transmen and women receive a massive amount of abuse and I imagine it can be very daunting to do something like use the toilets as they don't know what response they will get. So some compassion about how they are feeling could be an appropriate response.

Women receive a massive amount of abuse and I imagine it can be very daunting to do something like use the toilets (where a male is taking photos) as they don't know what response they will get. So some compassion about how they are feeling could be an appropriate response.

I’d also be interested in dogz response to your question, humberella.

If I have to clarify further - I was offering another option of how to respond to the situation of a male-bodied person in the ladies toilets. It doesn't always have to be hysterical and calling security.

Hanks for those links, R0wan*, and your tireless providing of evidence that the trans allies just don’t want to see.

Well dogz ? I’d be very interested in your answer if you have time.

Of course I have compassion for women and girls. I don't think anyone on this thread has actually read my posts properly - you've just jumped to conclusions about who I am and what I'm saying.

little girls' room, really? Yuck! I think that term says what it's all actually about. It's really not cute or girly to call the female toilets that.

Transmen and women receive a massive amount of abuse

Yes, its abuse of females by males.

Hence the need for Women's Rights, single sex spaces and services for safety, privacy, dignity and fairness.

Male abuse and violence towards other males (regardless of their gender identity) should also and separately be addressed. Urgently.