Woman in PVS for 10 years raped, gives birth

[VickyEadie]

www.lifenews.com/2019/01/04/woman-comatose-for-a-decade-gives-birth-unexpectedly-police-launch-sexual-assault-investigation/

Men are appalling.

I don't think the problem is men and women don't talk to each other enough, the problem is those men can't be bothered to listen to the women who have been telling them for years.

I see those derailing from the point and arguing the toss about what I said originally have entirely failed to see my second post...

How many statistics do you think get published any given year or hell any given week? It’s a literal ocean of data getting churned out constantly. Most people dip into that ocean with a pre-conceived notion that fits a bias then come up again when they have a handful of stats that support their position.

There is also this little thing called confirmation bias, and so many voices shouting so many things most people just switch off.

Men's forums are cracking vegetable jokes about this. Vile. I agree with the O.P.

What dish said

www.followfollow.com/forum/threads/well-this-is-a-bit-dodgy.61249/#post-2879548

vicky

im sorry ive added to the derail

I did see the 2nd post and i doubt it was just one man, im not suggesting it was definitely a group but i would imagine that a lot more people knew what was happening and therefore contributed to the situation

I don’t think making a contentious statement and then when people inevitably come to contest it calling it a derail is a particularly accurate description.

It is a derail when people go on and on about it and when the event itself is overlooked so people can bicker about a word or lack of it

Pages of it...

And ive contributed to it

So this is the last post of mine that doesn't directly talk about the OP

Apologies again Vicky

I don’t think making a contentious statement and then when people inevitably come to contest it calling it a derail is a particularly accurate description.

You didn't see my second post, also on the first page, then?

Here's the thing: when you post something up, in a hurry, which has appalled you - making sure people don't think you mean their Nigel isn't necessarily the first thing on your mind.

I did, however, go back and say that I was well aware NAMALT.

So - derailers who are nonetheless making a fucking MEAL of it despite my clarification on the FIRST PAGE DFO.

Oh my goodness, that is dreadful. What kind of a low life would do something like that? Well, it will be a member of staff who was around recently. I hope he's caught.

Makes me feel sick.

“Beerflavourednipples

Don't worry Russell no one is saying your husband is appalling. Obviously.

98% of sexual offences and the vast majority of other violent offences are committed by men. Men as a class are pretty appalling.”

Are men really a class though? How can men and women be a class when there is so much variation between people of the same sex?

I suppose that nowadays a lot of people (possibly a majority) do think in these left wing and feminist terms. Don’t want to derail this thread but this is why I said modern feminism gave birth to intersectionality and Identity politics which the modern trans right movement is a part of. They established the principle of dividing people into classes based on immutable characteristics. I’m not actually sure this is a good, accurate or useful way to look at the world? Both the far left and the far right do it though and it’s becoming more common too with group rights now being pushed by the left and group responsibilities/group blame being pushed by the right.

There is something that doesn’t seem quite right about this too me. But then what do you do when the vast majority of a certain type of crime demonstrably do come from an easily identifiable section of the population? In this case rape and sexual assault being almost entirely committed by men?

This facility needs to be thoroughly investigated and sued to bankruptcy.

Leaving a vulnerable family member in the care of a company like this must be incredibly traumatic and the company were legally obliged to keep their patient safe. They failed.

I hope the baby is found a happy and healthy family to grow up with, because the ‘father’ certainly cannot be trusted.

Yes i agree betty

10th rule of misogyny: The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.

12th rule of misogyny: Women's ability to recognise male behaviour patterns is misandry.

ive worked in care and im very surprised no other carers notice physical changes, they probably did. but in their shoes what do you say? I can believe they didnt know the perp or suspected without enough hard evidence, its not really something that can be said on a hunch can It?? how did this person get enough alone time though thats my query must be some bloody poor supervision, thats telling that level of opportunity.

So if men's forums are cracking jokes about vegetables (as a pp said) I'm now dreading work - some of the men I work with are misogynistic arses and I can imagine them telling such jokes.

I'm not sure I'll be able to keep calm if they do

So rather than discussing the case we are discuss if many men rape or just some.
The patriarchy has really done a number on us.

Back to the case.
What I don’t understand is how no one noticed she was pregnant.
Periods stopping, change in vital signs, change in her breasts and an entire baby in her uterus.

Either some staff did know and covered it up (willingly or under threat of losing their job or whatever), or the staff were disinterested in their patients and only providing minimal "care" and they probably also missed lots of other issues for other patients.

I hope that the criminal investigation will find all those responsible and give out significant sentences. But I imagine that's not very likely.

Is anybody else horribly reminded of the storyline in Kill Bill and also Talk to Her ? Bride in Kill Bill was pregnant before the comatose period and was raped on a commercial basis and pimped out by a member of the hospital staff. In Talk to Her the young woman in the coma was raped and impregnated during the coma and this stood out for me as well:

Benigno keeps telling Marco that he should talk to Lydia because, despite the fact that they are in a coma, women understand and react to men's problems...Benigno tells Marco of his plans to marry Alicia: Marco is taken aback, telling his friend that Alicia is basically dead and cannot express her will in any manner. But Benigno does not hear any reason. During a routine review at the hospital, the supervisors notice that Alicia has missed several periods; since this is a common occurrence with people in a coma, they do not think twice over it. In reality, Alicia was raped months before and is pregnant, Benigno is the main suspect and is later sent to prison.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk_to_Her

In one country with systems that are largely supposed to be democratic and accountable after another, we have clear demonstration that safeguarding is still an aspiration rather than something that can be relied upon.

Yes, arran, several of us have mentioned those films, and Dennis Potter's Brimstone and Treacle. It's awful that it's such a common trope.

Last time I looked rape was illegal, @EJennings