Woman in PVS for 10 years raped, gives birth

[VickyEadie]

www.lifenews.com/2019/01/04/woman-comatose-for-a-decade-gives-birth-unexpectedly-police-launch-sexual-assault-investigation/

Men are appalling.

People are confusing 'coma' with 'PVS' here. They are different levels of consciousness. YY. Tbh, the article cited in the original post was confusing. Does this help people like me to understand better?
www.nhs.uk/conditions/disorders-of-consciousness/

Anyway, it's a bit of a side issue. The main point is that a man took advantage of a woman's helplessness to rape her. If she was at any level conscious of what happened that increases the shared horror, but let's not fall into a trap of thinking that if she were utterly unaware the crime is somehow lessened.

And it reminds me, horribly, of the Spanish Wolf Pack incident, where judges ruled that as the victim remained passively inert throughout, and no violence (sic) was used, therefore the charge of rape against the five men (who'd met her 20 minutes earlier) did not apply, only lesser charges of abuse.

The main point is that a man took advantage of a woman's helplessness to rape her.

Correct.

The OP ends with the words:

"Men are appalling"

This is an "All men are like that" comment.

If feminists don't want to hear NAMALT comments stop saying AMALT.

On the subject of why it is reported as "possible", I'd image it's for legal reasons or fear of being sued not because anybody believes this wasn't rape.

HTH

This is beyond revolting.

But also serves to highlight just how little women are worth and how little our voices are listened to.

When there is literally NO DOUBT that a sexual assault and rape MUST have taken place there is still the benefit of the doubt being given to men.

Similar thing happened here in NZ - a woman with a severe intellectual and physical disability in a care home gave birth. Turned out it was a caregiver who raped her, a "family man, married with children". How often does this happen I wonder

If they had brains enough to use a condom they'd never get caught.

On the subject of why it is reported as "possible", I'd image it's for legal reasons or fear of being sued not because anybody believes this wasn't rape.

Really? Who do you think would sue, and what would be the grounds?
It's more likely that people will be suing on behalf of their relatives who are patients on the grounds that the care home isn't taking adequate care of their patients, and that cause would lie whatever fancy label the care home wants to put on rape.

“HTH”

Maybe you didn’t mean it to, but that glib little sign off makes you sound like a right twat on a thread like this. Just so you know.

"And so began her slow descent into bipolar disorder, or manic depression, exacerbated by drinking.

Her behaviour became so extreme that she would stay out all night, having sex with strangers in London parks, returning home at dawn ‘bedraggled, covered in mud’ — a reflection not so much on the poor, lost Leigh as on the kind of men who would use a woman like this, so obviously in a state of complete mental breakdown."

His from a review of Dark Star by Alan Strachan via the DM.

So many men are sickening opportunists. Can't we put Bromide in the water supply or something - it's the only solution I can think of.

But isn't it better than it happens now when DNA testing is available? What about years ago when there was no DNA testing available, think about all the creeps who got away with raping innocent girls and women in similar situations?

ALL staff, past and present, should have mandatory DNA testing as part of their employment contract...NO ifs, NO butts, NO exceptions. Even better would be if the tests would go back to when DNA testing was first available, but I guess the do-gooders wouldn't fight against retrospective testing.

While my thoughts go out to the lady concerned I also can't help thinking about the baby. Such a horrible, horrible situation for both of them.

They'll have to get DNA samples from all male staff, and the one complaining "but Not all men are like that!" Will probably be the rapist.

Thank God men have people like TeeJay to stand up for them.
Protector if the protected, voice of the loudest

If you're so cncerned about men's reputation, how about turning your attention to getting the men who ARENT LT to address the behaviour men who ARE LT, rather than getting your indignant huff on on a thread about a comotose woman who was raped?

HTH?

Unbelievable that the main thing some people have taken from this OP is that NAMALT.

Anyway, that poor woman, her family and her baby. The whole thing is horrific.

I can’t ever remember a thread detailing men’s bad behaviour where someone didn’t sprint on early doors to remind us that NAMALT or “women do it to you know!”

If you're so cncerned about men's reputation, how about turning your attention to getting the men who ARENT LT to address the behaviour men who ARE LT, rather than getting your indignant huff on on a thread about a comotose woman who was raped?

Let's not forget who the real victims are here - men. Remember India Willoughby's response to Karen Ingala Smith's Counting Dead Women project? "I feel sorry for men." Yes, it's never not about the men.

So many awful things here, from the man, whoever it was, able to derive sexual pleasure from raping a woman in a persistent vegetative state, to the hospital that didn't take proper care of their patient and is now belatedly deciding not to allow male staff to be alone with a female patient. The members of staff who didn't even notice the patient was pregnant. The reference to "possible" rape, as if, somehow, the woman might have been able to consent. The baby conceived in the most awful circumstances imaginable. Absolutely horrific from start to finish.

Men are appalling.

Yes we are. There is no way to varnish this.

Poor woman and poor baby. Imagine finding out that's how you came into the world.
She won't be the only victim in that place.

I'm the first to agree NAMALT if they were life wouldn't be worth living.

But in saying that I don't think removing men, or having them work with a female carer, will solve the problem either...as unfortunately, women have been known to rape others, both male and female.

Staff should work in pairs and rotated with their paired partner on a regular basis, so there is no risk of coercion. Constant video surveillance is a 'must' and should be reviewed on a daily basis by at least two senior staff members, specially in an area where patients are in a coma or with other disabilities.

This current incident, while horrendous in the extreme, is not something new. It's just that it would have been swept under the carpet in times gone by, so we can thank the internet for getting it out there and making everyone more aware and talking about it.

unfortunately, women have been known to rape others, both male and female.

Well they haven’t, as legally a woman cannot commit rape. Sexual assault, yes, but certainly in nowhere near the huge numbers of rape and sexual assault committed by men, plus as I am sure you know, women cannot get anyone pregnant.

"Graphista I know a fair few police officers and they would agree with your brother" they're the ones really seeing it at the sharp end and arresting & charging the same creeps repeatedly! Because they keep repeating the same type of offences! Even ones that have supposedly been on courses and had therapy and even medication to "cure" them it makes no difference he says. It's who they are. I was already of the opinion they should be locked up for full life but he's confirmed that's really the only way to deal with them.

It's a waste of money releasing them, they just create more victims who then need medical treatment & counselling plus the effect on their families. It'd be cheaper to keep them in prison than release them periodically, they reoffend, police have to investigate again, arrested & charged again, cps prosecute AGAIN, sentenced, again, parole reviewed...again! Pointless waste of time and money!

"I just hope this rapist is caught and punished suitably" presumably DNA testing the baby and staff members will soon reveal the culprit.

If I had a loved one in that facility I'd want them moved for the sheer medical incompetence alone of missing a pregnancy!

TeeJay - if men want to not be lumped in with rapists and paedos they need to start calling out other men on every incidence of rape culture and misogyny they witness. Otherwise frankly imo they're contributing to the problem.

Every sexist comment

Every incident of sex discrimination

Every "joke" - especially rape & abuse jokes

Every leering look

Every "minor" assault (slapped arse, boob grab)!

Until all men are like THAT then the generalisations are apt. Until you stop defending creeps like this YOU ARE like that.

This has just reminded me of a 'joke' my friend told me recently. It started with the premise of a woman was thought to be dead but someone pipes up and said no she's in a coma she needs to have sex to bring her round. So her boyfriend did the deed (it then goes on and doesn't get much funnier). I questioned my friend at this point and said great, a joke about rape. My friend said no it wasn't rape, he was her boyfriend.

This was a female friend btw, who literally did not see that as rape. I despair!

Rebecca unfortunately women can be just as misogynistic rape apologists as many men.

You only have to look at the comments made by female judges in rape trials and comments made by some (especially older) female celebrities on the metoo movement.

There was a BBC show "is this rape?" I think it was called. There was one young lady on that who was clearly very much indoctrinated to a rapists mindset. It was really shocking.

So kind of TeeJay to come onto a thread about the repeated rape of a woman in PVS and not comment on that abhorrent act, but merely on how sad he feels about everyone not putting NAMALT after their posts. Any fool knows that NAMALT, sadly, TMMALT and women are always held responsible for men's hatred and violence against them. So DFOD.

And yes, I do mean repeated rape of this woman, and probably other women at this facility. Unless anyone is going to suggest that the rapists just got lucky on their first go?

If feminists don't want to hear NAMALT comments stop saying AMALT.

Oh do fuck off. Or y'know, familiarise yourself with class analysis. Or y'know, get in touch with the men who are LT and tell them to stop giving you a bad name.

It is sickening. Is there any chance of people who run this company being charged with anything and a massive independent review of what has gone on there? Or is it more likely they will try and brush it off as one person being the lone culprit and everything otherwise being fine?

The fact that one man is like this is too many men. FFS