The BBC have just peak-transed the nation

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Did anyone see the report on the evening news?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-46634595/should-the-nhs-pay-for-transgender-fertility-treatment

They really want to watch some 70s and 80s prog rock if they think make-up means female.

This is the whole point isn't it. They're reversing everything feminism stood for: gender stereotypes now means must be female, and female means inferior. Why the fuck aren't more people seeing this?

Why the fuck aren't more people seeing this?

I expect a vast majority of our economy relies on the industry of stereotypes.

@DangermousesSidekick - totally agree Penfold!

You should all have been here last night with my father in law who is not known for his political correctness. I cannot repeat whar he said...but it wasn't complimentary.

I actually thought of the Feminist boards here when he made his comments. Who'd have thought it...my FIL a feminist?

Delores
Sounds similar to my Dad's reaction to hearing the Women's Hour segment with Bex Stinson (Stonewall Head of Trans Inclusion) and Helen Lewis (journalist). His words, 'bloody ridiculous' & having listened to the rest of the WH Gender series, I have received updates about how frustrating he finds the lack of logic and critical thought demonstrated by TRAs.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3428918-Womans-Hour-Tues-20-11-18-Why-is-the-current-debate-about-sex-and-gender-so-often-called-toxic-we-hear-from-Bex-Stinson-and-helenlewis

Rowan, it’s not my experience that trans groups are more effective in getting resources allocated. The gender clinic has very long waiting times (we waited 14 months for an initial appointment) and very widely spaced appointments after that due to staffing levels.
Absolutely think egg freezing should be offered to people losing their fertility due to cancer treatment too, it’s really tragic if it’s not, that’s awful.

Verysadpants
Having being diagnosed with gyny cancer (during IVF treatment) I am very aware of the hard work that the charities do to try to raise awareness, gain political support & secure better treatment options for all women affected.
It has been eye-opening to see the effectiveness of the trans lobby.

I would draw your attention to the link above with regards the barriers that women especially experience in accessing the fertility protocol when diagnosed with cancer.

The gender clinic has very long waiting times (we waited 14 months for an initial appointment) and very widely spaced appointments after that due to staffing levels.

The pressures and limitations of all NHS mental health services and many other specialist clinics are well-known

Young Minds:

"New Figures on CAMHS Waiting Times
New FOI data from HSJ shows that in 2017-18, more than 500 children needing Tier 3 Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services have waited over a year to start their treatment. Half of the 11,482 children needing treatment waited more than 18 weeks following their initial assessment. Only 14% began treatment within four weeks.

True figures are likely to be much higher, as only 30 out of the 50 trusts approached by HSJ responded to the FOI requests with this year’s data.

HSJ found that the vast majority of clinical commissioning groups and a smaller number of mental health trusts did not know how many young people were waiting for assessment and treatment, or how long they had to wait.

The investigation also found children and young people are waiting a long time for their initial assessment. Only 30 percent of children were assessed within four weeks of referral, with 4,309 children waiting more than 18 weeks, and 992 waiting for over a year.

Marc Bush, our Director of Policy says:

“Many young people are facing unacceptable waits, and many parents don’t know where to turn to get help for their children." (continues)

youngminds.org.uk/blog/new-figures-on-camhs-waiting-times/

Absolutely think egg freezing should be offered to people losing their fertility due to cancer treatment too, it’s really tragic if it’s not, that’s awful.

Trans lobbyists have used the NICE fertility protocol for people diagnosed with cancer.
NHS England was threatened with legal action.

August 2018 Guardian:
(extract)
"The NHS must offer transgender patients awaiting transitioning treatment access to fertility services or it risks breaking the law, the health service has been warned by the country’s equality watchdog.

The Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) is threatening legal action if “outdated” NHS policies, which it says discriminate against the transgender community, are not changed urgently.

On Friday, the watchdog sent a pre-action letter, the first step towards judicial review proceedings, to NHS England, the organisation that runs England’s health service, accusing it of failing to provide standard fertility services to transgender patients before they undergo treatment for “gender dysphoria” – the condition where a person experiences discomfort or distress because of a mismatch between their biological sex and gender identity.

At a time when the provision of fertility services is being curtailed in many parts of the UK, the intervention by the watchdog will trigger a number of financial, ethical and legal questions and place it on a collision course with NHS England, which last night claimed the action was misplaced." (continues)
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/aug/04/nhs-trans-patients-equal-access-fertility-services

August 2018 Times:
(extract)
"The NHS has been told it must give patients awaiting gender reassignment surgery access to fertility services — or face a legal challenge from the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC).

The EHRC says the health service’s “outdated” policies do not allow transgender people awaiting surgery automatic access to egg or sperm freezing programmes. The NHS, which has been issued with a pre-action letter has 14 days to respond.

The EHRC says transgender patients should be offered the option of having eggs or sperm extracted and stored for future use before they undergo gender dysphoria treatment, which can result in a loss of fertility. Gender dysphoria describes the distress felt by patients because of a mismatch between their biological sex and gender identity.

Local health commissioning groups decide on who gets access to sperm or egg storage.

Provision of fertility services is being cut across England, with cancer patients at risk of reduced fertility due to aggressive treatment now not automatically being offered the option to freeze their reproductive cells. (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nhs-must-offer-fertility-services-to-trans-patients-fqqlsnflz?shareToken=8a142908af80efd7fcf2624a71ceb5e1

Action For Trans Health Manifesto (Edinburgh):

"We demand an end to all surgical prerequisites – nobody should have to prove life experience,health or have to be taking hormones in order to exercise bodily autonomy. We demand that these surgeries can be highly customised to meet our individual & unique needs.

We demand the right to multiple surgeries, including reversal of previous surgeries if desired, so that we do not have to fear regret.

We demand the free & timely provision of genital surgeries, additive & reductive chest surgeries, hysterectomies and orchiectomies, tracheal & vocal surgeries, facial surgeries, lipoplasty, contouring & microdermabrasion, surgical hair removal & transplantation, and any other possible procedure to meet our needs as we express them.

We demand resources for hair removal anywhere on our bodies, and the option of local anesthetic during these procedures. We demand voice coaching that does not coerce us to alter our voices in ways we do not express a need for, but respects our accents and our right to express ourselves however we desire.

We demand access to counselling & and any other therapies we choose."

"We demand the revocation of medical licenses from all gender clinic doctors & nurses, past and present.
We demand the power to hold abusers of medical & administrative power accountable for historical & present injustices.

We demand medical training to enable us to safely carry out medical procedures & research for each other, for anyone of us who wants to learn. We will enhance our collective knowledge, so that the means to understand our bodies is universally accessible. We demand to improve the quality of medications we take and procedures we undergo, to reduce negative side-effects in the long term, and to highlight our own experience and understanding of their effects on our bodies.

We demand research centres & libraries of knowledge, autonomously & horizontally organised by and for trans people, in which research subjects are equal participants in deciding the experiments conducted & the manner in which those experiments are carried out.

We demand full funding for any research or projects undertaken by these collectives." (continues)

edinburghath.tumblr.com/post/163521055802/trans-health-manifesto

Action for Trans Health played a significant role in advising the Women & Equalities 2015 Transgender Equality report.
Jess Bradley was both a key member and spokesperson for Action For Trans Health and one of the co-founders of TELI (a legal initiative to secure and advance trans rights)

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3374926-What-influence-does-TELI-have-on-government-public-services-and-charities-policies-Co-founders-include-Jess-Bradley-Tara-Hewitt-and-Michelle-Hudson

Jess Bradley is also the first NUS Trans Officer (re-elected for second year) currently suspended from post (since July 2018) pending investigation into alleged inappropriate behaviours.
threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325623-Jess-Bradley-a-government-advisor-on-womens-rights-suspended-by-NUS-over-indecent-blog-Part-iii

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3320513-Jess-Bradley-first-transgender-student-officer-suspended-after-flashing-photos

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3321764-Jess-Bradley-suspended-Part-II

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3323623-Who-is-really-funding-Jess-Bradleys-defence

Demand demand demand. Why does this not surprise me. Why not "we ask that you..."but no, we DEMAND because we are spoilt entitled fuckers whose needs trump everyone else's.

Confession time. I read ROwantree's post, above, and thought that the quotes from the Edinburgh Trans Health Manifesto must have been taken out of context and somehow made to look a lot more batshit than they really are. So I had a look for myself. And they're every bit as bad - and worse - as appears from the quotes above. Here are a couple of really scary additional ones:

"We demand an end to birth certificates and to legal gender. Gender records should be anonymised, and only ever recorded as part of equalities monitoring. Neither government, nor any institution, has any justification for keeping a register of trans people. Birth certificates are not just a violence against trans people, they are a material to the state’s oppression of “undocumented” immigrants and asylum seekers."

So that's the end of sex as a protected characteristic, then.

"We demand immediate release & pardon for all trans prisoners."

Well that one's going to go well, isn't it? I think we can all see what would happen. Of course, it'll save big time on the prisons bill, but I can't think of any other positives. I'm terrified that anyone can seriously argue for such 'demands' and be taken seriously. It's utter fanaticism.

I found it perplexing that neither Cruella nor the non-binary person spoke about who they thought they might have children with in the future...so if Cruella is attracted to men, then having a frozen sperm sample is not going to make a baby, is it? If Cruella is atracted to women, then they would be in the same postion as any other lesbian couple who want to make a baby...

Fucking hell morningtoncrescent62 that's got to be one of the most batshit things I've read. Birth certificates are violence against trans people? Ffs I've never heard such bollocks in all my life. Ive said before how deluded these TRAs are but that highlights a whole new level.

Was Cruella one of Cinderellas sisters?

I am all for fertility treatment for transpeople. And given TWAW and all the medication for transwomen must be such as to produce fertile eggs and IVF, while for transmen medication needs to produce sperm. Anything else would be too transphobic to even contemplate.

Is this move by the EHRC a way of forcing the NHS to guarantee the fertility of transitioning children?

morningtoncrescent62 I do try to always link to confirmed source.

It is recognised that the Edinburgh branch/chapter(?) of Action For Trans Health are openly extreme.

This is from the central site:
MARCH 1, 2018 BY ATH TEAM
"Break the Gates Open
The following was sent as part of a response to a NHS survey on the Prioritisation of Specialised Services Research. Contains mentions of medical and sexual abuse:

The current model of Gender Identity Services, Gender Identity Clinics, obstructs trans people from living full and healthy lives. Waiting lists are astronomical, with patients forced to wait months to years for a basic consultation, with no guarantee of treatment.

Clinicians stigmatise, disbelieve and fetishise patients. Invasive and irrelevant questioning of patients is standard. Requiring patients to recount our childhood and sexual history in detail in order to receive basic medical care is coercive and frequently traumatic. Unnecessary breast and genital examinations are also disturbingly common. Overall, Gender Identity Clinics treat trans patients as curiosities to be mentally and physically probed with no respect for personal boundaries.

Gender Identity Clinics are majority staffed by cisgender people (people who are not trans), creating a power dynamic where cis clinicians set the mark on what “correct” examples of gender are, based on patriarchal ideals. This is not solved when trans clinicians are introduced, however, since trans clinicians are subject to the same pressures and the gatekeeping element remains. Non-binary, gender non-conforming, lesbian, gay and bisexual trans people are all disproportionately impacted by the expectation to fit these gender norms. Clinicians are also predominantly white and regularly discriminate against patients who do not fit white, eurocentric standards. Patients are picked apart and denied treatment based on anything from our clothing, to our mental health, to our employment status, to our immigration status.

GPs can already offer bridging prescriptions to patients who are self-medicating with hormones. Given that this is widely acknowledged as an important harm reduction measure, the continued existence of GICs amounts to wilful abuse of trans people.

Hormone prescriptions, surgeries, hair removal and other procedures must be made available to anyone who requests them on an informed consent basis. Knowledge of available treatments must be made widely available to the public. Education is needed for all healthcare workers in order to end transphobic discrimination in all sectors of the NHS, so that trans people can safely access the healthcare we need.

Nobody should be able to decide another person’s gender for them. A diagnostic model of transition healthcare will always produce transphobic conditions because it relies upon the idea that trans people do not understand our own identities.

Priorities for Gender Identity Services (E10):

– End transition gatekeeping, make hormones and procedures available free for all on an informed consent basis
– Fund trans-inclusivity education for all healthcare workers, written and taught entirely by trans people
– Fund medical training for trans people
– Fund research by trans people
– Remove the healthcare charges for migrants and cease sharing patient information with the Home Office"

actionfortranshealth.org.uk/2018/03/01/break-the-gates-open/

Fucking hell morningtoncrescent62 that's got to be one of the most batshit things I've read. Birth certificates are violence against trans people? Ffs I've never heard such bollocks in all my life. Ive said before how deluded these TRAs are but that highlights a whole new level.

Do watch Rose of Dawn's video as she identifies the influence that Jess Bradley/Action For TRans Health/Radical far-left activists and ideologies are playing:

"We demand an end to birth certificates and to legal gender... Birth certificates are not just a violence against trans people, they are a material to the state’s oppression of “undocumented” immigrants and asylum seekers."

So this nutty demand would put an end to citizenship, nation states & international borders, too. What could possibly go wrong?

New York City announcement this week re changing birth certificates:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3465241-New-York-legalises-changing-birth-certs-to-M-F-or-X

The BBC page in OP doesn't seem to have been shared much on Twitter. Still time .

Thanks for the links, ROwantrees. The Edinburgh ATH 'demands' are markedly different to what their central office is saying, some of which, I agree with Rose, is reasonable. So why the difference? I haven't been able to work out by googling who is behind the Edinburgh group, and whether they have actual influence. Please, please, someone reassure me that people who are demanding the release of all trans prisoners (= anyone who says they are trans) and the abolition of birth certificates are not being taken seriously by policy makers.