The BBC have just peak-transed the nation

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Did anyone see the report on the evening news?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-46634595/should-the-nhs-pay-for-transgender-fertility-treatment

But TRAs claim it's not just birth certificates that "are violence against trans people". Death certificates that reveal the biological sex of the deceased are violent too.

A recent article in the Toronto Star told of trans people who "are concerned their lived identity is not always reflected in official documents after their death."

A birth certificate that reveals the biological sex is "the final 'screw you'" that society sends to trans people says Callum Tate, a Toronto trans man who clearly doesn't fully grasp what "final" means or what death entails.

“Not having one’s lived identity recognized at and after death is a form of violence” against deceased trans people says LGBTQ activist Kate Hazell, another person who clearly doesn't understand what happens when we die. (Then again, it could be that Kat Blaque was right when she recently claimed that trans people have "evolved" into a "superior" state of being/consciousness that the rest of us can't imagine. Since trans people aren't constrained by biology & material reality like the rest of us, could it be they've somehow figured out how to remain fully conscious of what's said about them after they die?)

A death certificate that lists or shows a person's biological sex is violence against the living as well, because such documents "may be deeply distressing" & cause "harm to community, friends, partners and family who wish to ensure their loved one is represented in an authentic and respectful way.”

Next we'll be reading articles headlined, "Deadnaming The Dead Is A Crime Of Violence Against The Living And The Dead, Transgender Activists Say"!

www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/12/24/transgender-canadians-say-death-certificates-dont-reflect-their-lived-identity.html

and any other possible procedure to meet our needs as we express them.

The is the MeMeMe mindset taken to the extreme. Off the wall impracticable and totally blind to the fact that medical resources are finite and there are other people in the world, many of whom are in much greater need of them. Whoever wrote this has the mental and emotional maturity of my bolshie 16 year-old grandson. who is going through a phase we are hopeful he will soon emerge from.

They should really look at what violence actually means. Although dictionary definitions and reality aren't their strong points are they.

I’ve stopped watching at 1:56. Cruella? A serious interview about transgenders and fertility and make-up is being applied? Wtaf? Do only proper women wear make up then?

Please, please, someone reassure me that people who are demanding the release of all trans prisoners (= anyone who says they are trans) and the abolition of birth certificates are not being taken seriously by policy makers.

Jess Bradley's contribution to the book, 'To My Trans Sisters'
edited by Charlie Craggs (publ Oct 2017)

"The first time I changed the world was when I told my mates to call me she rather than he. I literally constructed a new world where its possible to understand myself as a genderqueer woman, despite being asigned male at birth simply by changing the language to describe myself. This is why language and pronouns are so important. Its about creating a world in which trans people are allowed to exist"

"And I can honestly say that the work that trans people do for each other means that, for me at least, the trans community is a beautiful place to be. Despite our differences, we have each others' backs"

source:
books.google.co.uk/books?id=gNspDwAAQBAJ

Jess Bradley has been and is influential

Cruella? A serious interview about transgenders and fertility and make-up is being applied? Wtaf? Do only proper women wear make up then?

Perhaps the next demand will be the NHS prescription and supply of make-up, on the ground that mtf trans need huge supplies of lippy etc in order to properly express their gender identity?

I foresee an addition to the yogyakharta principles !

You see, you jest, but didn't we have the conversation earlier this year about transgender activists getting very cross with Jayden Smith for wearing a skirt and goth men wearing make up because if men started wearing skirts and make up, then how could transgender people express their inner essence accurately without everyone thinking they were just a bloke with eyeliner on?

I literally constructed a new world where its possible to understand myself as a genderqueer woman, despite being asigned male at birth simply by changing the language to describe myself. This is why language and pronouns are so important

And why tying the hands of professionals and psychologists into enforced affirmation only is so important, and why things like pointing out a need to function within reality, and that it is neither healthy nor realistic to expect every stranger to affirm your inner world at all times, is perceived as 'conversion therapy'.

R0wantrees since you brought up the new NYC rule allowing people born in NYC to change the sex recorded on their birth certificates, this might interest you. In looking at the move in various US states to change rules for death certificates so trans people's death certificates will record their preferred gender ID or gender description rather than their biological sex, I came across an article about New Jersey that said:

New Jersey is the 17th state that allows transgender residents to change their gender on birth records without proof of surgery, and the fourth state, following California, Oregon, and Washington, that will include transgender as an option on birth certificates, according to Garden State Equality's Director of Programs Aaron Potenza, who helped draft the birth certificate legislation.

I hadn't realized changing one's natal sex on birth certificates without genital or any other kind of surgery was already allowed in 17 states. I'm also suspicious that the claim there are four states that have decided to "include transgender as an option on birth certificates" might be misleading, whether by intent or just through sloppy wording. Maybe legislatures in those states have decided to allow people to change their sex designation on their birth certificates to trans when they're adults. But allowing adults to officially designate child "transgender" at the time of birth seems cray-cray, contrary to trans ideology & certainly against the best interests of the child.

BTW, 10 US states (I think) do already allow people to choose a designation of M, F or X on their driver's licenses. But no one in the US gets a driver's license until they're at least 16, fairly close to legal adulthood. What's more, birth certificates are historically & legally the gold-standard ID document in the US (& everywhere else)... taking precedence over docs like driver's licenses & social security cards, both of which are relatively recent inventions. So I find it hard to believe that legislatures are giving mothers & physicians the right to designate a child "transgender" at birth. That would give doctors with crazy ideas about sex & gender like John Money & unhinged mothers disappointed in their newborns' sex completely new power to fuck kids up from birth.

Oof, I'm going off on a tangent, so rather than take this thread off in another direction I will post this & what else I've to say about death certificates on the thread about NYC birth certificates too.

www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/07/murphy_signs_law_protecting_transgender_rights.html

EJennings Clearly we as a Society should divert all cancer research funds to uterus implant studies in males to prove that we are committed to our objective of becoming less transphobic and to mitigate our cis-privilege. Did you know that most cancer-patients are cis?!? (No, no money for testicle implants in females. Just not enough money for that, sorry.)

I don’t understand how this would work. I’ve just started the long road if hospital appointments and blood tests and thing shoved up my hoo-ha. It is all intensely personal and biological. I can’t imagine someone with dysphoria liking it coping with the intense focus on their female body.

How do you have fertility treatment without talking about sexed body functions?

deep the TWAW will then demand ovary implants from handmaidens, but I’m quite certain no TMAM will be offered testicle implants from any male on the planet ever.

Who needs a testicle implant when their heads are full of bollocks?

How do you have fertility treatment without talking about sexed body functions?

Noah Finnce's youtube blogs provide some insight. Noah vlogs the experiences of fertility treatment including at the clinic.

NOAH AFTER SEDATION- FTM EGG FREEZING
183,704 views

Hmm, to do the egg count they put an internal ultra sound wand into the vagina and have a good rummage around.

I’m guessing that is a fairly female experience.

I think non of them actually understand their bodies, how they work or how it affects them.

Noah is really annoying. I only managed 15 seconds.

I watched Noah's video last night and I feel so sad and sorry for her (yes I'm using her, she has just had her eggs collected and not yet started medical transition so still very much female in my book), massive red flags.
She hasn't yet had a boyfriend evidently or at least not a sexual relationship with one having announced her virginity. She sees herself with a man at some time in the future, waving pictures of handsome men she might dream of. She wants to be able to have a biological child at some point in the future hence the egg freezing or perhaps her mother was insuring her chances of being a grandmother .
I don't even see (from the video) much that screams "gender non conforming" whatever that means. Short hair. No doubt preferred dress is trousers and doc martens - just like my DDs.
Casually referring to a random woman in the future who will carry the product of those eggs for her, she has no idea what she is giving up. I can't say I enjoyed being pregnant or giving birth and yet going through that process and subsequently breastfeeding was a massive part of bonding with my baby and transitioning into being a mother. I don't in anyway mean to imply mothers who adopt are in some way less of a mother, please don't think that, but I was so grateful to have a healthy body doing naturally what nature intended and somehow that was a big part of it all for me. You may think me weird for this. But Noah, who wants a baby will never have these experiences. The double mastectomy she is planning means no breastfeeding. Even some of the trans men who have had babies have breastfed.
And those Male partners she sees herself having in the future? She's got a lot to learn about men is all I will say here.
Most of all I see a teen who is confused and is caught up in the whole gender crap and will probably have massive regret at some point in the future. She needs counselling not egg freezing and T.

Can't help thinking that this all involves a lot of surrogate pregnancies.

Perhaps because some high profile people go to other countries where it's legal to pay a surrogate mother, there is a perception that surrogacy is more straightforward than it is.

So much seems to start with 'I want...'

I watched a few minutes of the video, anyone else notice her talking about oestrogen but pronounced estrogen (e like egg) which is surely the American way of saying it. And yes the talk of just putting the egg in a surrogate mother, completely blithely and no issues about finding someone to be a surrogate
This surely is why we are seeing more calls to change current uk laws round surrogacy.

It’s just so strange and sad that young heterosexual girls feel compelled to take testosterone and have mastectomies because the don’t identify with any version of femininity

Julie Bindel comment re surrogacy.

Linked program: Surrogacy: A Family Frontier
Episode 2: The Paths to Surrogacy
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p06ttyw2

But where are all these surrogate mothers going to come from? Even if payment and commercialisation were legalised (in the UK) I really don't think it's something that large numbers of women will be queuing up to do.

I can’t believe have casual Noah Finnce is regarding the future requirement of an available surrogate. They casually dismiss pregnancy as something they never want to do, yet except some ‘random woman’ to do it for them with their frozen eggs? The lack of awareness is startling.