The BBC have just peak-transed the nation

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Did anyone see the report on the evening news?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-46634595/should-the-nhs-pay-for-transgender-fertility-treatment

Missing the point but it’s so weird that they can show a TMs chest but not a woman’s. at what point does it stop being acceptable?

Elizabeth Prochaska from the Equality and Human Rights Commision says...

We know that more and more transgender patients are in their adolescence so they're teenagers facing a decision whether or not to accept medical treatment to transition from one gender to another. And it will be the furthest thing from their mind thinking about their future fertility and we see that as really unfair on those children ultimately to have to make a choice between transitioning and having to lose their fertility

Exactly Elizabeth but isn't there a much more sensible solution than expecting the NHS to fund both transitioning and fertility treatment?

I have no words. Non-binary because being male or female is not special enough. Selfish bastards. All that money spent on them and still they want more. As has been said before, no matter what you say or give, it will never be enough.

Turns out I did have words

And how effective is IVF?

Not very, as far as I'm aware, so they are still not offering children a choice between having children or not having children.

The fact that the doctor doesn't think that children are able to make the decision to become infertile in the first place, but thinks children can make the decision to become sub-fertile is bizarre.

What is the non-binary transitioning too?!

Ok so I did watch it.
The non binary man was taking hormones to become...non binary?
He wants to be a parent one day, so I have an idea for you mate. Don't chop your dick off because you sure as hell won't be pregnant any time soon. By all means jerk off and freeze it for later but you can pay for the pleasure whilst we get our free breast and cervical cancer treatment.
Or adopt but you have to be assessed and get in line. Just like everyone else.

Or adopt but you have to be assessed and get in line. Just like everyone else.

I wonder if this will be next?

How can you medically transition from one gender to another? Gender is in your head?

Surely self id means that if I say I’m a man I am a man?

Wait, wait, I haven't seen this. Actually using the name Cruella? Really? Or are you just taking the piss out of the make up?

That's got to be deliberate if so, @Cruella1 is Kate Smurthwaite's Twitter name and she compered FiLiA. Not exactly sympathetic to the TRA cause, let's say!

Saw this and was glad my OH wasn't in the room to WTF all over the shop.

Cruella. Right ho.

I would imagine comparing infertility secondary to transitioning and infertility due to cancer treatment is going to go down like a bucket of cold sick with the average member of the public.

All that will happen is that the NHS will stop funding any fertility treatment whatsoever.
So, a slow handclap to all the transgender people that actively chose to make themselves infertile.

Aaaaaaaaaaaagh! Just aaaaaaaaaaargh.

Aaaaaargh again.

I think trans people should be treated like others when it comes to IVF but I cannot see the benefit of funding sperm or egg freezing just in case. Egg freezing is not very effective anyway and someone taking testosterone long-term may be unable to carry a child. While I strongly believe that people of all sexual orientations and identities should be able to start a family, I don’t think there is a right to a biological child.

I liked the trans man and fair play if it makes him feel better. I have a feeling that Cruella not becoming a parent isn’t exactly going to be a great loss to society...

You could make the same argument for lesbian couples for Hermoine. That they’re fertile (not all) and that if they choose to ignore biology and not get with a man it’s there look out. People would obviously protest that it’s not a choice to be gay but can imagine trans people will make the same case. Personally I’m on the fence with intervention for same sex couples being publicly funded. I certainly don’t subscribe to being gay as choice but if there’s nothing wrong with you physically should we intervene? I know homosexuals can make great parents but I’m talking about NHS funding rather than self funding which is no one else’s business

Caucho but do you support funding for IVF where the couple is heterosexual? Because a heterosexual infertile person is also unable to get pregnant naturally. Why should lesbians be treated less favourably?

Interesting that the transitioning non-binary (whatever that actually means - I was similarly confused by JB saying that JB was a non-binary transwoman) said that 'Having fertility treatment would mean that people can....people would be able to live their lives and not be sacrificing their future'

Whereas the transman was saying he'd had lots of treatment free on the NHS and was grateful for that and that fertility treatment shouldn't be provided. Female up bringing versus male perhaps? Thank you for what you've given me versus I want to be this person at this time but I might change my mind in later and don't want that to be affected in any way.

I don’t live in the US, but I understand that insurance companies are not completely reliable when it comes to paying for medical treatment. What will happen to all the transitioned children when the insurance company refuses to pay for their drugs?

Why do you go in hormones if you're non binary?

I swear this is becoming like some sort of body hack game.

Holy Jesus. Mn needs a like button. Never has a truer word been spoken!!!

Funky I suppose it depends on what you consider naturally to be. Nature has determined what propitiation is for mammals and humans. Two men or two women not being able to conceive together is not a fault of nature unless you’re arguing homosexuality is somehow a fault of nature also. I’m not morally opposed to IVF for same sex couples but everything publicly funded comes down to money and where you / or should allocate it. Giving to one thing always takes from someone else potentially