doxxed - and a bit freaked out

[LoafEater]

So ... yesterday I posted a (what I thought was) a pretty innocuous, mild comment on an article about a news report. The subject is discussed here on another thread.

This morning my boss calls me into her office and shows me an email from a weird looking gmail address with a screenshot of my fb page.
The email was complaining about my transphobic attitude, and how the trans students at the school work in and take care off cannot be safe around me.

Thankfully my boss was as cross about this as I was, but she obviously has to follow protocol and asked me to take my place of work of FB and to delete my post of possible. She replied to the sender with a generic "thanks very much, we will look into it" reply.

We had a long chat around the subject which ended with her suggesting we had a chat with our safeguarding lead in the NY about this when I told her about and she has asked me to get a copy of the transgender trend schools pack. So its all good and I'm not in any bother as I have a sensible boss, but it could have been very different.

I know this has been happening to lots of women, but I have barely put my head over the parapet and this happens. I feel a bit shaken.

the feminist movement did more than most to introduce this nasty online culture into the political discourse where we now have people doing horrible things like finding out where people work and writing to their employers.

Exactly.

the feminist movement did more than most to introduce this nasty online culture

LMFAO.

Are you naive or just play naive on mumsnet?

Like "the feminist mob" a) exist; or b) have an iota of influence.

Wow. Do you really believe this?

Feminism has had an enormous influence on many things, some good and some bad.

I remember a point where the feminist mob was making so much noise about rape culture that American universities were effectively holding their own kangaroo courts and dismissing male students on the basis of hearsay and without due process. I believe it was such an issue that the authorities stepped in if I remember rightly.

And all this happened whilst the world's largest sexual violence charity was vociferously warning against the dangers of rape culture hysteria and how it takes the focus away from the small number of deviant individuals and places it onto 'men' as a group - class analysis again.

So yes, the 'feminist mob' do have a lot of influence just like the TRA mob also now do.

@CowJumping it's a good point that you make, which has got lost in the derailing. It does seem impossible to talk about women and girls without being harangued for being transphobic. I'm glad that the Ops boss was sensible and handled the situation without fear.

PS. I’m not even a man of course, dear.

So saying I'm not your mum or your junior is abuse now, is it? Must tell DH that so that he can feel suitably hard-done-by.

Back from work to read that 'my side' has been advocating violence, without any definition of or knowledge of what 'my side' is, and also that I am ugly and toxic for expecting someone to do their own heavy lifting to back up their assertions.

To reiterate, because I used up all my sweet smiles on Christmas customers today, I am the mother or research assistant of no one here, and if you make a claim that the feminists here are all out for punching people, you need to back up your claim yourself or I will have no reluctance in calling your bullshit exactly that.

If you think that kind of forthright statement is why people don't like feminism, you're probably right, but feminists ain't here to be liked, we're here to liberate women.

feminists ain't here to be liked, we're here to liberate women

I need this on a t-shirt

feminists ain't here to be liked, we're here to liberate women

This. Growing up in the 50s and 60s in a family of 5 sisters, my female socialisation was intense. It has taken me many years to learn to assert myself properly and reasonably in my own defence and in defence of other women and I don't tend to unlearn it any time soon.

I was reading the Times a couple of days ago and there were four news stories relating to women who had been murdered at the hands of men. That is just one day.

Rape is not carried out by a few ‘deviants’, otherwise those deviants are getting around a lot.

And finally, in my random unrelated points, I wonder if the kind of man who parachutes job to tell women they are imagining their oppression and draw false equivalences does the same of black discussion forums. I mean, let’s assume for the sake of argument, a white guy - does he go on black rights discussion groups and start to argue that white people were slaves too; or is it just women’s rights discussion groups? If he is straight, does he tell gay people that they are just as bad, never mind straight sex never landed anyone in prison? I do wonder at the mentality of a male person crashing into a women’s rights board and repeatedly posting unverified assertions that feminists are violent and suggesting rape culture does not exist. Just why?

Black discussion boards also suffer from white men popping up to explain where they've gone wrong. The difference is that they don't tolerate it.

Black discussion boards also suffer from white men popping up to explain where they've gone wrong. The difference is that they don't tolerate it.

Bet they get told off for not being "nice" enough too. No?

How strange.

Rape is not carried out by a few ‘deviants’, otherwise those deviants are getting around a lot.

Well, this is what the world's largest sexual violence charity has to say about it (they have over 1000 rape crisis centres).

"In the last few years, there has been an unfortunate trend towards blaming “rape culture” for the extensive problem of sexual violence on campus. While it is helpful to point out the systemic barriers to addressing the problem, it is important not to lose sight of a simple fact: Rape is caused not by cultural factors but by the conscious decisions, of a small percentage of the community, to commit a violent crime."

I work in HR for a large tech org and we are openly encouraged to share our views politically , I tweet from my work account generally in support of feminist politics / abortion access etc but I would never ever ever comment on Gender issues publically now at all . Such a minefield.

• when I say share politically views obviously I state that they are my personal views but everyone is expected to have “causes” and interests .

Do you want to name the charity and provide a link Scott? Because that is not what the Rape Crisis Centre I have worked with says.

rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/about-sexual-violence/myths-vs-realities/

If you look at this link, it says 90% of women who are raped know the perpetrator. The MoJ estimates that around 85 000 women are raped EVERY year, and 20% of women have experienced some form of sexual assault since age 16. This is 3.4 million women. 4% of men is the comparable figure with the vast majority being male on male.

So if you count 85 000 over an average women’s lifetime, let’s say 64 years from age 16 to 8, that is over 5 million women getting raped in this country during an average women’s life, or 85 000 every year. 90% of women know the perpetrator. I am not sure how this is argued as negligible or a small percentage. And even 1% is too many, surely?

Do you want to name the charity and provide a linkScott?

The charity is RAINN.

www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/30545/its-time-to-end-rape-culture-hysteria

America is an extremely violent country. I’m not sure you grasp quite how much casual violence there is. I’ve lived in England and on the Continent. It’s very different in the US.

I'm sure I've read that the UK is more violent outside of gun crime. Football hooliganism etc.

I could be wrong though...

I remember a point where the feminist mob was making so much noise about rape culture that American universities were effectively holding their own kangaroo courts and dismissing male students on the basis of hearsay and without due process. I believe it was such an issue that the authorities stepped in if I remember rightly.

What are you talking about? Which feminist mob? Which American universities? Authorities? Gotta link?

Currently, OCR guidelines direct colleges to apply a preponderance-of-evidence—that is, 50.01 percent—standard of proof in assigning guilt, and the “guidance” warns that if schools don’t go after these cases aggressively enough, they risk losing federal funds. Though it later quietly backtracked, OCR in 2013 even endorsed as a “blueprint” a remarkably broad definition of actionable sexual harassment—including even speech that “would not be offensive to an ‘objectively reasonable person of the same gender in the same situation.’” In 2014, the agency told colleges to “ensure that steps to accord any due process rights do not restrict or unnecessarily delay the protections provided by Title IX to the complainant.” Johnson and Taylor document the result—dozens of chilling examples of colleges and universities abandoning due process in favor of publicly punishingalleged malefactors.

At Middlebury, investigators were taught to “‘start by believing’ the accuser,” who should always be called a “victim” or “survivor,” and told that “a sexual assault investigation is ‘not the time for ‘just the facts.’’” At Ohio State, officials refused to agree under oath that they had an obligation to adjudicate sexual-assault cases correctly; one administrator claimed that her responsibility to “support students at Ohio State” did not include “an obligation to make sure that the hearing panel gets it right.” With OCR’s “quasi-dictatorial” support, college administrators have been all too eager to convict and punish students, while denying them the basic legal protections afforded by the criminal-justice system—rights as fundamental as that of cross-examining one’s accusers.

www.city-journal.org/html/campus-kangaroo-courts-15033.html

RAINN is especially critical of the idea that we need to focus on teaching men not to rape — the hallmark of rape-culture activism.

I don't think i'd trust anyone who thinks teaching men not to rape is a bad thing.

RAINN seem quite obsessed with putting the onus on females to prevent their rapes and sexual assaults rather than telling men not to rape.

www.rainn.org/articles/staying-safe-campus

A woman or girl should not have to educate themselves on how to stay safe, women and girls should be safe doing whatever the fuck it is they want to do.

If you get bored later today have a look at this tweet.

Women, doing what they want to do, a thought experiment.

Pay particular attention to the men posting in response; the NAMALTS, the racists and the men shocked that women can't just go for a walk when they want, without feeling unsafe.

twitter.com/emrazz/status/1077322309151744000

I agree that people should be safe. Similarly, I should be able to leave a big sack of money on my front lawn without it being stolen. In both situations, using common sense is probably the best approach.

I don't think i'd trust anyone who thinks teaching men not to rape is a bad thing.

The issue I see with this statement is that it assumes that men don't actually know that rape is wrong - I'd wager that almost every man knows this, including the rapists themselves.

I think RAINN's point is that it's a small minority of deviant individuals that rape, so preaching to the converted isn't going to help.

Do we need to teach white people not to enslave blacks? German people not to be Nazis? Women not to murder their children?

Do we need to teach men not to come onto feminist forums and tell women they are womaning wrong? It would appear so.