Martina Navratilova states the obvious

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twitter.com/Martina/status/1075193284660785153

At first I was delighted to see thisat last a big name in women's sport is speaking up! but then I got angry all over again that this utterly obvious point has to be explained to an adult, in this case, a Guardian journalist. It boggles the mind.

Only surprised they haven't decided their scrotums are really labia.

Yeah - they have no idea what periods actually mean to women. And that's without the actual symptoms.

Having a period can trigger any and all the emotions it is possible to ever have.

I mostly feel a bit tired during mine. I guess "tired" is harder to fetishize though.

What’s next the alphabet is transphobic so X=Y . All males are now XX to say otherwise is literal violence 😂

I thought this was really odd from Trans Media Watch.

Why the fuck does menstruation require a content warning? How fucking misogynist is that?

Content warning for menstruation

Well, that twenty or thirty year span when women were allowed to talk about our bodies without males telling us to STFU were fun, weren't they? I'll miss those times.

The posts above have made me really pissed off.

All of this is appropriation - theft of our language and experience.
Cutting across to non trans men as well.

In the news the other day that men can get PND. Yes I'm sure lots of men can and do suffer emotional / mental health issues when their partner is pregnant or there's a new baby in the family. However they do NOT go through anything like the particular massive hormonal, physical changes that women do during pregnancy, birth and post partum. Give it a different name. DH suggests Parental Depression. Do NOT call it PND that is out of line.

Yes i am sure than men who take HRT can experience changes to their mood etc. By all means talk about it and look for ways to mitigate. However, do NOT call it a period. It is not a period. The UTTER ignorance displayed in the posts pasted in here around what periods mean for women and girls. They say talk about the trauma of not having a period when a (male) teen. For a female teen, no period eitehr means PREGNANCY OH FUCK or if they don't start, possibly something wrong with them physically. Apparently these issues are the same as a boy not having a period. Fuck off. CALL IT SOMETHING ELSE. This idea that bleeding is not the main thing about a period. The blood is the reason that girls stop attening schoool, are banned from doing certain things in certain cultures and religions, and causes anxiety. Menstrual blood is seen as uniquely disgusting, maybe less so in certain parts of the world, but it's a big stigma for milennia to shake off.

All that drivel about men and women having all teh same bits but in different configurations. This tosh is supposed to be taught to children.

And on and on and on.

On the bright side I see Alison M's twitter again I think my internet was dodgy last night :)

And the biggest approrpiation of all of course > the words woman, girl, female.

No you can't have them, piss off.

Well, that twenty or thirty year span when women were allowed to talk about our bodies without males telling us to STFU were fun, weren't they? I'll miss those times.

Quite. Reminds me of my late Mum, who was raised by a much older mother (she was a surprise menopause baby) and referred to menstruation as “the curse.” All very gothic to an ‘80s teen going through puberty.

Yes i am sure than men who take HRT can experience changes to their mood etc

As someone who takes H R T (the R is significant & means replacement) I don't see how contant taking of oestrogen etc would cause cyclical changes of mood. If the medication was delivered by patch or implant then there may be a slight dropping off before the next one.

Males taking oestrogen etc is not HRT but cross-sex hormone. How bodies respond to such medication long-term seems still to be understood adequately.

My female body was used to having the hormonal cycles prior to hysterectomy and consequent surgical menopause. Once I started HRT the changes in mood that I experience are as with any human, influenced by the usual complex combination of factors and not related to timings of my previous menstrual cycle.
opentextbc.ca/socialpsychology/chapter/moods-and-emotions-in-our-social-lives/

But the men taking HRT have underlying mental health problems, which is why they’re insisting on using female hormones in the first place. Their mood swings and phantom periods are simply an extension of their underlying mental state.
In agreement with R0wantrees, the oestrogen they demand be used on them does need to be renamed HT, it isn’t HRT as they’re not ‘replacing’ anything . As with everything else about their insane cult they’re simply taking.

Honestly, when will this madness end......?

I've seen it said by, again, the likes of Peter Tatchell that gender critical women are being hypocritical about biology; in that, as he sees it, women have long been calling for liberation from 'biological determinism'; that women are really just like men etc, and that their biology doesn't mean anything other than the obvious.

Well, that is a fundamental misunderstanding - and one that I suspect that many women have fallen foul of too. Women are women because of their biology. Biology is what makes you a woman.

Of course biology is important, and has a major impact on one's life - on all sorts of levels - social, emotional, experiential; through to physical performance and function.

The issue has been the devaluing of the female & the feminine experience; along with society and culture that assigns fixed social roles depending on one's body. Roles which are enforced, even if not felt as right or natural by the individual; roles which cannot be stepped out of; and impositions and restrictions placed on people purely on account of their biology; their sex.

it is not the existence of biological difference that is the issue; it is the devaluing of those differences where they exist and the rigid enforcement of gender roles.

The more they talk about their fake periods, the better, in my opinion. Bring the fetish into the open, and let everyone see it.

Good old Trans Media Watch, putting the men in menstruation.

(I can't claim the credit for that but I first saw it on here.)

The slow drip, Martina and the Big lottery seem to have got us to a tipping point. It looks like people are finding their voice alongside the child Mumsnet and feminists on Twitter stating "The Emperor has no clothes on".

Meninism/femanism - apparently mean women have appropriating feminism for their own 'privilege protecting' means.

Mimmy/Helen strikes again.

Mimmy is a femenist aligned with Feemenists ( those spouting femenist views in return for the funding of their academic posts)

I’ve seen McKinnon and their peers urge the use of “FART” instead of “TERF” - “feminist-appropriating reactionary transphobe”.

Re Helen / Mimmymum for comment on Times journalists:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3458163-Mermaids-Response-to-the-Times-Article?msgid=83535766#83535766

previous threads
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3177923-This-is-what-Helen-from-Mermaids-writes-about-MN-feminist-posters

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3210806-Helen-from-Mermaids-has-started-a-Twitter-thread-smearing-Kiri-Tunks-Anne-Ruzylo-and-Womans-Place-UK

Times July 2018
'Facebook blocks links to women’s rights group'
(extract)
Facebook has blocked links to the website of a feminist campaign group after been targeted by transexual activists.

Woman’s Place UK fights for women-only spaces and raises concerns about people being able to self-declare as transgender. Links to the site were blocked over the weekend by Facebook on suspicion that they were spam or breaching community guidelines.

"Woman’s Place UK fights for women-only spaces and raises concerns about people being able to self-declare as transgender. Links to the site were blocked over the weekend by Facebook on suspicion that they were spam or breaching community guidelines.

The clampdown coincided with a message posted on Twitter by @mimmymum, whose profile said it belonged to “Helen”, an “intersectional cis feminist” who is “passionate about acceptance for transgender people & trans kids, equality & making the world a better place”. “Cis” is a term used for people who identify their gender as the same as the body they were born in.

The Twitter profile posted a guide on how to report Woman’s Place UK to Facebook for breaching guidelines. “Helen” accused the website of transphobia and excluding transwomen." (continues)
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/facebook-blocks-links-to-women-s-rights-group-q367rvz5m?shareToken=8912e7caa7b6869480647eb0fb1f4b32

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3314779-The-Times-reporting-on-the-harassment-of-A-Womans-Place-UK

Well they know they are shits so not surprising they think of the word fart.

Where does the period blood and uterine material come from?

I know this was a rhetorical question, bellinisurge, but there are places on the internet such as reddit's r/ttotm where menstrual fetishists or "menophiles" can buy used menstrual pads & tampons, as well as blood-stained panties.

Elsewhere online, particularly on Tumblr before it got rid of adult content, are/were tons of blogs in which men - including many who identify as women - describe in elaborate detail how they get used pads & tampons from the waste receptacles in ladies & unisex loos used by the public, at work & in private homes. Some of these guys merely sniff & lick these items while wanking, whereas others wear the pads or insert the tampons (up their bums presumably) - which of course makes them cum even more explosively.

In this account i.imgur.com/NCtP3wh.jpg one trans woman reports on her great week: "first I found a used tampon and worn (sic) it off and on for a couple of days...then yesterday I found at used pad in a unisex bath at wendys. when I opened it up it was a big one and very full and moist. I put it on soon after and wooooooooow what a thrill... can't wait to find more"

Some menophiles who work in commercial establishments like gas stations & restaurants with unisex toilets reveal they are careful to check the waste receptacles for used menstrual products each time they notice an attractive girl or women has used the loo. This way they get the extra kick of involving a real female in their kink without her knowledge or consent. On reddit, one commenter remarked, "it doesn't harm anyone. Just make sure you don't get caught :D"

Gallus Mag had quite a lot about these guys on GenderTrender, but alas it's been taken down.

But the long & short of it is, seems Jonathan Yaniv is not unique or even all that unusual in his pad & tampon fetish. Yes, that's him in the above photo taking a smirking selfie inside a ladies loo, which sackrifice posted yesterday on this thread about him:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3456835-We-NEED-to-speak-out-about-this-person

Good for her. I wish more people had the guts to speak out against this nonsense! Women’s rights are being eroded as we speak. This can’t go on unchallenged.

insisting that the hormones created all the symptoms of a menstrual cycle except the blood

And dysmenorrhea... beyond the imagination of anyone who doesn't have a uterus, in same sort of way I've no idea what being hit in the bollocks would feel like and wouldn't dream of comparing any physical symptom I might have to that. I've had other types of bad muscle cramps but they're nothing remotely like dysmenorrhea, the only thing that compares is, unsurprisingly, labour pain.

I've had other types of bad muscle cramps but they're nothing remotely like dysmenorrhea, the only thing that compares is, unsurprisingly, labour pain.

Similarly, as a dysmenorrhea sufferer for many years, I've never had labour pains but I have also suffered awful IBS cramps.

If forced to choose one to have over the other, I'd go with IBS any time - especially as sometimes medication made it go away. Not so with the dysmenorrhea.

Occasionally I got both at once. That wa s possibly the closest I ever got to experience what labour must be like pain-wise.

I've had other types of bad muscle cramps but they're nothing remotely like dysmenorrhea, the only thing that compares is, unsurprisingly, labour pain.

Yes, I've had both. Very similar. I was 13 when I first got dysmenorrhoea. Nothing touched it. I missed a school day, once a month.

I can understand how some men fetishise women's oppression. I can see how power can gratify. But periods? Not in a million years.