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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Martina Navratilova states the obvious

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Glinner · 19/12/2018 12:16

twitter.com/Martina/status/1075193284660785153

At first I was delighted to see thisat last a big name in women's sport is speaking up! but then I got angry all over again that this utterly obvious point has to be explained to an adult, in this case, a Guardian journalist. It boggles the mind.

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EJennings · 03/01/2019 18:49

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AMvG · 04/01/2019 11:55

Following on from my post (on 25.12.18) and in case anyone is confused about the difference in standard between an open World Championship and an age-group championship, in an open World Championship, there are qualifying standards that must be reached first. Here’s a link to those of the USA, for example:

www.usacycling.org/team-usa/track

In short, you will need to have won specific competitions to be eligible to compete. Even at the lower standard for qualification (Bronze) in terms of time for the women’s sprint, you need to have posted a time of 11.177 or faster. For men, the qualifying time (Bronze) is 9.964 or faster.

The women’s sprint results from the 2018 World Championships are here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_UCI_Track_Cycling_World_Championships_–_Women%27s_sprint

The fastest time in qualifying was 10.645 (Stephanie Morton, Australia)

The men’s results from the 2018 World Championships are here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_UCI_Track_Cycling_World_Championships_–_Men%27s_sprint

The fastest time in qualifying was 9.674 (Jeffrey Hoogland, Netherlands)

Datun · 04/01/2019 12:26

morningtoncrescent62

That article on Andraya Yearwood was infuriating and calming in turn.

The way the original article was written, to which it was replying, seemed to be written by someone who was completely in thrall to Yearwood and the trans ideology. A slave like devotion to unreality and unfairness, as long it's it's only women who are suffering.

It's always so shocking to see how people regard females as insignificant.

I hope Martina reads this thread, and reads that article.

andyoldlabour · 04/01/2019 12:58

I can see that Andraya Yearwood's best 100M time is 12.29 seconds, so I hope that the top girls will not have to worry too much at the moment going by the World's best age times. The World best 100M time for a 10 year old girl is 12.15 seconds, and for a 17 year old is 10.98 seconds.
It is still totally wrong IMHO that Yearwood is allowed to compete against girls.

age-records.125mb.com/

Ereshkigal · 04/01/2019 13:12

Humour and laughter actually a really good tactic against narcissists.

I think that's why none of them have a sense of humour apart from when it involves being gratuitously nasty to other people (mostly women).

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/01/2019 17:09

If you’re looking for a laugh

mobile.twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1081228282442469377

KittyMcKitty · 04/01/2019 17:33

If you’re looking for a laugh

This is a paradoy account isn’t it? I find it difficult to tell sometimes!

MsBeaujangles · 04/01/2019 17:55

I just came on to post about Titania McGrath's Twitter post but you best me to it!

She wrote 'Misogynists always claim that men are better than women at sports. But if that’s the case, how come cyclist Rachel McKinnon only started winning gold medals after she transitioned? #Checkmate'

It is a parody account. What makes it do good is that it is usually hard to tell at first glance.

MsBeaujangles · 04/01/2019 18:03

The comments make an interesting read. Lots of opposition to RM but not from the usual GC Twitter crowd.

I loved this response, 'Recently read about a transition lady competing in Australian female boxing. First fight first punch shattered the other ladies face by breaking 4 bones. We need to see more of this to ensue our march to equality keeps going'

MsBeaujangles · 04/01/2019 18:09

......I should add that I don't think Titania is a friend of feminism. She ridicules feminism and ideas about patriarchy, but it's good to step outside the echo chamber😉

FWRLurker · 04/01/2019 18:17

Suggested new year’s resolutions for our society:

  • Stop publishing books by white authors.
  • Eliminate male/female segregation in sports.
  • Ban breastfeeding and raise all babies as vegan.
  • Expand hate speech laws to silence wrong opinions.
  • End the gender pregnancy gap.

alt-right troll or not, I lol'd...

Vegilante · 04/01/2019 20:10

mornington thank you for that link. Excellent piece! I started a thread about the original article when it first appeared under the heading, "US article celebrating the end of girls & women's sports" (or something like that). I'd like I re-post the link there, perhaps even start a new thread. Hope that's OK with you

Vegilante · 04/01/2019 20:25

Can't find the thread, but here's link to the original article about Andraya Yearwood, written as one poster here has noted by someone (a woman) totally "enthralled" by Yearwood & trans ideology.

bleacherreport.com/articles/2810857-andraya-yearwood-knows-she-has-the-right-to-compete

BTW, the reporter tellingly leaves out that Yearwood's family is evangelical Christian & so presumably quite homophobic. The reporter does say, however, that Andraya came out to family as gay at age 13, & was then sent to therapist who told Andraya about being transgender - & voila a new girl's track star was born!

andyoldlabour · 05/01/2019 12:26

I am not sure how many people realise this, but Sarah Fader who set the fastest qualifying time in the Masters 200 Metre sprint which McKinnon went on to "win", refused to take any further part in the proceedings, because she believed as I do, that McKinnon had an unfair advantage.

mastersworlds2018.veloresults.com/pdf/44F35spqr.pdf

So minutes before the finals were set to start, she pulled out of the competition entirely.

“I thought that doing it this way was my own form of protest,” Fader said. “I knew that I personally did not agree with the situation. I don’t want to compete in a sport where the rules are unfair.”

www.velonews.com/2018/10/news/commentary-the-complicated-case-of-transgender-cyclist-dr-rachel-mckinnon_480285

GrinitchSpinach · 05/01/2019 12:56

Oh ho ho. McKinnon has launched formal complaints with USA Cycling against Fader and Wagner-Assali under their "anti-bullying" policy.

www.bicycling.com/culture/a25736012/transgender-world-champion-track-cycling-race/

What a special victim McKinnon is. So women are meant to race against RM and if they say, "hang on, this is not fair," THEY are bullies who need disciplining?

GrinitchSpinach · 05/01/2019 12:59

Also I don't remember if this was mentioned on this thread before but Kiwi Farms has a LONG thread documenting McKinnon's nonsense. For instance a selfie RM posted wearing a panic button because RM fears for RM's safety on campus. At 6'2" (?) and 200 lbs... Worth a read.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 05/01/2019 13:52

Good. I hope McKinnon pushes this just as far and persistently as they've gone on and on (and on) with Martina, and as much of it in the public eye as possible. Let's hope it makes all the papers. The more the general public see and hear the more they're going to realise exactly what is going on, and the true beliefs and behaviours of those at the forefront positioning themselves as the 'bullied' and mistreated.

sackrifice · 05/01/2019 14:07

What a special victim McKinnon is. So women are meant to race against RM and if they say, "hang on, this is not fair," THEY are bullies who need disciplining?

Isn't this what ALL bullies/abusers do?

Prod, prod, prod, poke, poke, hiss, hit, smack, prod - OWCH MISS SHE HIT ME

Apollo440 · 05/01/2019 14:07

I notice that the article used the Brazilian trans prostitute murder rate to highlight the dangers McKinnon faces. Hmmmm.....

hellandhairnets · 05/01/2019 14:11

*Isn't this what ALL bullies/abusers do?

Prod, prod, prod, poke, poke, hiss, hit, smack, prod - OWCH MISS SHE HIT ME*

Yep. And surprise surprise, not the only one of our fave tra's employing this tactic in the last few weeks, not by a long shot.

Almost like the two go hand in hand or something? Oh...

GrinitchSpinach · 05/01/2019 14:32

McKinnon is competing to become world champion in DARVO.

Floisme · 05/01/2019 15:41

Those 2 articles linked above (bycicling.com and velonews) are really something. I cannot conceive the degree of mental contortion that must be required in order to say with a straight face that this is a ‘complicated case’.

ProfessoressWoland · 05/01/2019 18:23

It's only complicated for people who believe that TWAW. The reality is that some kids are being transed because of homophobia, and women are having to compete with men in women's sports. Pretending that people can change sex might seem like a neat solution for helping people with gender dysphoria, but it's not without consequences.

howard97A · 05/01/2019 18:32

"Transgender Track World Champion Defends Her Human Right—To Race" (against women !)

(Didn't do so well against other men !)

howard97A · 05/01/2019 21:49

"Transgender Track World Champion Defends Her Human Right—To Race"

Nobody's suggesting that mckinnon shouldn't race.

Just that, being a man, he should race against men rather than women.

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