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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Debbie Hayton and Posie Parker on Matthew Wright, TalkRadio between 1pm and 2pm **Thread title edited by MNHQ**

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MrsSnippyPants · 05/12/2018 10:18

twitter.com/debbiehayton/status/1070231803087200256?s=21

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BeyondVicious · 05/12/2018 10:28

Isn't Posie on there at that time today?

MrsSnippyPants · 05/12/2018 11:30

I tweeted Debbie to ask if she could bring up the Rosa Freedman situation and she said yes! Flowers

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SwearyG · 05/12/2018 12:09

Yes Beyond Posie is also on.

MrsSnippyPants · 05/12/2018 12:55

Five minute warning!

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MrsSnippyPants · 05/12/2018 13:08

Here we go......

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Melamin · 05/12/2018 13:13

I do hope they talk about the Rosa Freedman situation because it is appalling. I don't know how any university can tolerate this sort of thing going on.

She was really good on Womans Hour. Well worth listening the her WPUK talks, and hopefully last night's will be along very soon.

MrsSnippyPants · 05/12/2018 13:14

Still blethering about Brexit.........

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MrsSnippyPants · 05/12/2018 13:16

Thanks for the edit MNHQ Smile

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Gileswithachainsaw · 05/12/2018 13:19

Come on ..I need to try my hair....how many adverts....

R0wantrees · 05/12/2018 13:20

I do hope they talk about the Rosa Freedman situation because it is appalling. I don't know how any university can tolerate this sort of thing going on.

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THREAD: The excellent @ WomansPlaceUK have put on many meetings in the last year to discuss women’s rights, and tonight I had the great privilege of speaking at one of those meetings. We discussed the law relating to sex & to gender identity. In many ways it was uplifting to be

part of that meeting. I am a Professor of Law, tenured, protected in terms of being able to speak in a respectful manner based on specific evidence, and supported to undertake research on topical and timely issues. That has not protected me from the harassment & abuse dished out

by the transactivist lobby. This week I picked up my post & received three more hard copy letters (separate to the daily emails I now receive) from staff and students at universities in the UK and beyond who are scared to express their views for fear of stigmatisation. This week

I found my office door covered in urine, including some that had seeped under the door, and I spent time cleaning it up because I could not bear the smell or the shame of what had happened. Last week I discovered criminal damage explicitly encouraging me to leave the University

because of my views that a woman is defined by law as biological not psychological. I have been attacked and vilified personally and professionally on social media by a senior Professor at another University who keeps threatening me with action (legal and/or re my employer), and

have had my reputation spuriously and perniciously smeared by the local LGBT charity who seems to have provided the University with wrongful advice on the trans policy (thankfully it can and ought to be changed) and academics spearheaded by @ natachakennedy at Goldsmiths (an

institution that is not a leading light on women's rights). Tonight I met other academics who are being harassed in their workplace for setting out views based on specific evidence (i.e. doing their jobs). We all go to work to do our jobs -- and we are pretty damn good at doing

the research, educating, & administration that comes with the job -- yet we are being demonised, harassed, and targeted for expressing opinions based on the expertise for which we were hired and for why we are revered. This evening I was followed by students on campus, and ended

up hiding behind trees because I was scared for my physical safety. I have been open about being a survivor of sexual violence, despite which young male-bodied persons have seen fit to abuse me verbally about rape or to follow me in the dark into secluded spaces. It is now 3.30am

and someone / some people are continuously calling my phone from an anonymous number, & when I answer I am laughed at and told that I am a ‘TERF’ who ‘should be raped and killed’. If this is how a University Professor is treated, little wonder that women who work in jobs without

protection regarding academic enquiry – e;g; factories, shops, schools, restaurants, hospitals, and beyond (where there are fewer / no protections in place in employment contracts and policies) -- feel unable to speak up to protect women’s rights. Welcome to 2018, where people

have drunk the Kool Aid, or are looking to make a career on the back of the Kool Aid, or are just looking for a reason to bully and berate women who speak up (particularly those with expertise). [Good night]

Postscript: I think universities ought to consider sending communications to students & staff about appropriate behaviour. Peaceful protest is a legitimate part of freedom of expression. Harassment and abuse ought never to be tolerated. Employers have a duty of care to employees"
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threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3443107-Shocking-bullying-of-gender-critical-law-professor-Rosa-Freedman

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3425184-Womens-Place-event-in-Reading-4th-Dec

MrsSnippyPants · 05/12/2018 13:21

Go!

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MrsSnippyPants · 05/12/2018 13:21

Debbie Hayton
Posie Parker
Nick Duffy, Pink News

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MrsSnippyPants · 05/12/2018 13:23

Debbie saying sex cannot be changed, but presentation can.

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littlbrowndog · 05/12/2018 13:23

I can’t listen 😢
Can you giv3 us updates pls

thewitchofwentworth · 05/12/2018 13:24

Nick Duffy was the guy who did the livestream at London Pride this year and was aghast at the lesbians protesting.

MrsSnippyPants · 05/12/2018 13:24

Gender constructs are oppressive.

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littlbrowndog · 05/12/2018 13:24

Oh ta snippy pants

Melamin · 05/12/2018 13:25

So what the Pink guy says huh? but at least they are making him explain.

Weezol · 05/12/2018 13:25

Listening.

MrsSnippyPants · 05/12/2018 13:25

Debbie saying birth cert offers legal rights rather than social rights so should not change

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R0wantrees · 05/12/2018 13:26

Is thsis Nick Duffy from Pink News?

If so, he's written some rather partisan pieces.

MrsSnippyPants · 05/12/2018 13:26

Nick saying low take up of GRC, people unable to go through lengthy process. Other countries are making easier.

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R0wantrees · 05/12/2018 13:27

Hearing a lot of male voices so far.

MrsSnippyPants · 05/12/2018 13:27

Nick; Scottish government ahead of us, very few objections from women's groups!

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Weezol · 05/12/2018 13:28

Whoever the host is, he's raised the conflation of sex and gender as a question.