Debbie Hayton and Posie Parker on Matthew Wright, TalkRadio between 1pm and 2pm **Thread title edited by MNHQ**

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I think that was a good show actually.

Showed the complete lack of regard for women and their safety from Nick.

Debbie made some fantastic points but was ckearky skirting round alot of issues as there were no real answers that would make anyone look good

And posie. Clear as always. Loved how she went on about sex. Got the point across I thought.

Would have liked it to have been made clear about the numbers of resisters when left alone.and how many keep their penises.

I'm so pleased Debbie was there, it's not so easy for Nick to shout transphobia when Debbie is agreeing with Posie.

Posie; toilets, 90% of attacks in changing rooms and toilets are in unisex facilities
That fact should be put on stickers to be stuck in any mixed sex toilets.

Debbie; forcing children to choose a label is deeply damaging

Children are male or female. That isn't a label, its a factual material description.

What it means to be a male or female child is gender eg a construct of society specific to time and place.

There needs to be space for male and females to be unencumbered by gender stereotypes/ sexism.

The healthiest response, is not to 'assume' the gender stereotypes/ label of the opposite sex especially when this involves surgical / medical interventions.

The healthiest response, is not to 'assume' the gender stereotypes/ label of the opposite sex especially when this involves surgical / medical interventions.

I agree. No one needs a gender label, certainly not children.

Something clicked with Wright the day a caller said about a prisoner being watched in a communal shower by Karen White.

To be fair, MW has always been sceptical about the transing of children too. Even when he's shouting women down for saying that tw are not women.

Thank you everyone! I couldn’t listen at work.

Debbie is for the refugee model and not the colonisation model.

I totally understand that new women colleagues might not be comfortable with the refugees.

This analogy doesn't work.
If you wish to use a colonisation metaphor, perhaps this more accurate:
Colonisation was achieved in some places with guns and bloodshed and in others with bibles, education and medical supplies. The result though for the indigenous group is fundimentally the same though no doubt the 'invaders' would see their motivations differently.

I will listen later, but thanks for the running commentary.

That was literally as good as listening in to it - will catch up later.

Thanks all.

It's interesting that Debbie admitted that they had no idea how women felt about this until they started to listen.

I can't be the only one that finds it a little bizarre that men are quite so oblivious. I mean, I know they are, but when it's really right in front of your nose, it's so depressing.

We walk through life with this in front of us permanently. Something that they have no notion of.

Yet they can read statistics, they can read newspaper reports, and watch violence all around them. How do they think it makes us feel???!

There is an inherent, ingrained knowledge in people like Nick that absolutely sees women as lesser than. There may be a few exceptions in his life, but that will be grudging.

And yes, Matthew Wright gets it. And he hasn't even heard half of it yet.

Rowantrees I dont get your point

The colonisation of womens spaces is also being done by various means
; gaining influence and hence power in strategic positions and using them ruthlessly.
; soft sell by constant appeal to suicide statistics and of the violence experienced by transpeople. to win over hearts and minds

Some male transpeople may see themselves as refugees, but they are not. They aren't been rejected and excluded by men from male spaces. It's their choice to colonise female spaces, not because they have nowhere else to go, but because they want to.

Being not been

Datun
Your whole post . That's exactly it.

Matthew Wright tweets

He's a charmer!

He’s still a misogynist.

He blocked me after Posie was on last time when I asked how he squares agreeing with a rape victim that male free spaces are absolutely necessary with calling women who want to keep women’s space women only bigots.

He’s just another media bloke who wants to treat women like shit.

I'll be honest, I didn't have high hopes for Matthew Wright.

My take on him is that he doesn't actually give a shit about the issues at all but wants to come across as Mr Clever and Mr Teasonable reasonable to all.

Think Matthew Wright's tweet was fair enough to be honest - I'd have probably replied similarly.

(Btw I'm not Camper - though I did say something very similar)

I kept being interrupted whilst listening (vomiting child) so waiting to listen again.

Particularly the initial part with Debbie about why they transitioned which sounded very good. The part later about shared spaces sounded uncomfortable though - arguing strongly for more third spaces would seem to be consistent with Debbie's awareness of risks/ how women feel.

The risk assessment approach that was advocated is clearly not viable except on a tiny scale (and even at a school how could one include some whilst excluding others?).

Debbie is so analytical and clear headed but this seems to be a fault line. I do understand why and have sympathies but it is a shame

Ah I was typing slowly and the chat has moved on. I was referring to Matthew Wright's response to him having 'done his homework'

I think the response to the homework comment was "patronising" because of his assumption that it came from a woman...

Re the 'thumbs up' twitters a pretty blunt instrument especially when you're just whizzing through.

My impression was that he both understood where the areas of contention were and had had a fair few chats with regular women in real life and was bringing some of that 'woman on the Clapham omnibus' (haha!) tone back into his chat (as opposed to media luvies)

Nick; nobody has ever been attacked by a transwoman

Did he really say this? Did anyone pull him up in it if he did? Does he live under a rock, or is he just payed to pretend to do so?