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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Stella O'Malley, Trans Kids: It's Time To Talk

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drum123 · 21/11/2018 20:06

Apologies if there is already a thread about this. Channel 4, 10.00 tonight. 'Stella O'Malley considers the huge rise in numbers of young people embarking on gender transition, through the prism of the gender identity issues she experienced when she was a child.' According to The Times no TRA groups were prepared to contribute to this . Stella feels this may be because she was a tomboy as a young girl, (even insisting she was a boy until she hit puberty), and is now a confident, mature woman who believes that nowadays she would be pressured to go down the transition route. Sounds like it will be worth watching.

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Hellbentwellwent · 24/02/2019 22:16

Is this available to watch anywhere? I missed it first time round and can’t find it on channel 4 or YouTube. Any links?

R0wantrees · 24/02/2019 22:55

Hellbentwellwent

Stella O'Malley published a link on her twitter feed, twitter.com/stellaomalley3/status/1088097800129265665

JustAnotherWoman · 26/02/2019 14:04

Thanks for posting the link Rowantrees, I missed it when it came out (needed a break from thinking about some of this).

Great documentary Stella

The most shocking part for me wasn't seeing Debbie Hayton wife. She looked like she did not want to be there. Debbie's had tweeted about being in the documentary in a way that made me feel Debbie's was pleased with how it had gone. That suggest Debbie still can't see the impact it has all had on Stephanie. Stephanie is clearly used to speaking in public she was articulate, the rush she had trying to get the words out at one point made me think she was quite agitated and trying to stay in control. The whole thing made me feel very sad for Stephanie and brought home Debbie is putting Debbie first and taking for granted that their needs are the most important

Im afraid that whole interview and lack of awareness has made me think much worse of Debbie and really brought home the shock a transformation like that is for the family.

JustAnotherWoman · 26/02/2019 14:06

Autocorrect fail

'Was seeing' not 'wasn't seeing'

NeurotrashWarrior · 27/02/2019 11:26

The number of trans advocates who refused to take part in this documentary is staggering:

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1100693458048770048.html

R0wantrees · 27/02/2019 12:10

The number of trans advocates who refused to take part in this documentary is staggering

But not surprising.

cf May 2018 Channel 4 GenderQuake Debate:

My OP:
"Channel 4's Genderquake Debate is heavily criticised/ boycotted(?) by prominent transgender activists & allies .
Transgender campaigners and organisations have released an open letter to Channel 4 criticising Genderquake, a season of programmes touted as an exploration of the gender debate, as "counterproductive".
Signees are particularly concerned about Genderquake: The Debate, a studio discussion hosted by Cathy Newman that promises to look at what gender means in 2018. It will discuss topics including: 'what defines our gender identity', 'how that affects our rights', 'should it be easier to change gender' and 'does gender matter'.

The letter, published by indy100 in full below, argues that the debate will give legitimacy to transphobia, prejudice and the notion that trans identities are up for discussion. This concern is presumably stoked by the presence of Australian-born academic and writer Germaine Greer on the panel, who has previously said transgender women "can't be women". continues...

"The letter is published in full below and has been signed by dozens of prominent transgender and non-binary activists and campaigners - and allies - alike, including Fox Fisher, Owl, Stephanie Hirst, Juno Roche, Travis Alabanza, Kate Llewellyn, Jack Monroe and India Willoughby."

www.indy100.com/article/genderquake-the-debate-transphobia-channel-4-open-letter-campaigners-germaine-greer-8341481

thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3243464-Channel-4s-Genderquake-Debate-is-heavily-criticised-boycotted-by-prominent-transgender-activists-allies

see also:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3243516-Dr-Helen-Webberley-GenderGP-Interview-in-The-Independent-re-GenderQuake-Debate

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3249035-Stephen-Whittle-s-blog-on-Genderquake-with-a-detailed-briefing-for-panelists

NeurotrashWarrior · 27/02/2019 12:41

The biggest irony is that women / feminists who want to discuss this have no 'vitriol,' they just wish to point out sex based rights and protections are being ignored and erased.

R0wantrees · 27/02/2019 12:52

Olly Lambert's twitter response to Graham Linehan's request 'I'd like to collect some anecdotes about when and why you first became involved in the debate about gender ideology/activism'

(OL was the Director of 'Trans Kids, Its Time to Talk' documentary)

"It was probably the moment I realised that not a single charity, journalist, support group or doctor who supported the affirmation of trans kids would take part in a documentary that wanted to ask valid questions about the treatment of …trans kids. THREAD 1/13

At the start of this, I’d undoubtedly have called myself an ally, and still do in a different way. Live and let live, give people the lives and freedoms they want, let kids live their true lives. /2

The film “Trans Kids: It’s Time to Talk” sought to ask if if the medication and affirmation of trans kids was always the right path. I’d expected passionate and articulate charities & campaign groups would want to take part and speak about how this process helps. /3

And yet in almost 20 years of making films, I’d never encountered such a systematic refusal to debate something so patently important. Every single "pro trans kids" group refused to speak, and I had to ask why. /4

Stonewall refused, saying that as the film included “gender critical” voices it would be ‘denying the existence of trans people’. This was laughable. Interviews with trans people make up nearly half the film. /5

Britain’s only private “gender GP” Helen Webberley said she’d take part on condition that Stephanie Davies-Arai and @David @DavidTCDavies were not included. Amazed, we asked if there were others she didn’t want us to talk to. She said she’d need to check the “little list” /6

Maria Miller MP didn’t have even ten minutes free in the following 3 months (!) to be interviewed about the Women’s & Equalities Select Committee (which she chairs), adding that she was no longer involved in the trans debate. (But… /7

...On the day Maria Miller wrote this to me, Stonewall sent an invitation to MPs inviting them to a “panel event on trans equality, held in partnership with Maria Miller MP…”) /8

Paris Lees pulled out of two meetings, both times on the day they were supposed to happen, before saying she didn’t have time to take part. /9

Mermaids had various reasons, falsely stating that the author & psychotherapist presenter @stellaomalley3 was “unqualified” and “confused”. They also wouldn’t take part because “the film will be one sided” (their refusal to take part only serving to make that more likely). /10

Lily Madigan refused because there was “nothing to debate”. /11

Jake Graf wouldn’t even speak on the phone. Owen Jones ignored all emails and requests via an intermediary. Jane Fae said no. Gendered Intelligence never replied to emails. And on and on. /12

The only organisation who I felt gave a valid reason was the Tavistock. After a long meeting with Polly Carmichael (who was thoughtful, nuanced and recognised the complexity) they ultimately declined saying they feared their words would be “weaponised” by all sides. /13

So my question remains: if a treatment is so right, if your position is so unarguably good, why not talk about it? Feeling that you’re so correct you can’t be disagreed with is a really, really bad look. /14

Anyway. We made the film. You can see it here:
vimeo.com/304866757 "

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current thread collating responses to the same question from Mumsnet members:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3518546-help-a-brother-out

MrsSnippyPants · 27/02/2019 16:42

I watched this again last night (still on my digi box thingy from when it was first broadcast). I found the footage of the TRAs protesting the meeting even more horrifying the second time around. I am glad it is now available for everyone to see.
I wonder if Stella will do a follow up at some point?

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