Stella O'Malley, Trans Kids: It's Time To Talk

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Apologies if there is already a thread about this. Channel 4, 10.00 tonight. 'Stella O'Malley considers the huge rise in numbers of young people embarking on gender transition, through the prism of the gender identity issues she experienced when she was a child.' According to The Times no TRA groups were prepared to contribute to this . Stella feels this may be because she was a tomboy as a young girl, (even insisting she was a boy until she hit puberty), and is now a confident, mature woman who believes that nowadays she would be pressured to go down the transition route. Sounds like it will be worth watching.

KayM2, you do know that centered and comment are two different words, don't you?

Trans males who transition after divorce may state that, as if it is some kind of Get Out of Jail Free card, whilst neglecting to mention, or even fully understand how the process that leads up to this decision will have inevitably affected the wives before the split.

Maybe Kay, you are the true exception who didn't force a woman, desperate to keep her family together, through a hellish series of ever changing compromises by continually lying and pushing her boundaries.

If so then good on you, I think you are probably unique, based on every woman I have spoken to who has been in that position.

And if anybody wants to see a prime example of the colour blindness some males seem to have on this, take a look at the OP on this thread, currently in Relationships:

Crossdressing Poll www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/3433584-Crossdressing-Poll

The OP types fairly well for a person using only one hand.

Thanks for the link. That was fun

You should do an AMA Betty, it'd be fascinating!

Has anyone in the USA found a way to watch this?

Tinselangel;

Not unique at all. Many transsexual people are unmarried before transition. Today, with same sex marriage, there are some f to m transmen who were married to women, and in one such case I know well there is a child. Any such situations can be tragic, and often are.

QED.

Kay do you know of any transmen who have transitioned whilst married to men?

The OP types fairly well for a person using only one hand.

Kleenex will never go out of business!

QED

With bells on.

Oldcrone;
Face to face met? Yes, one, in Brighton quite some while ago. This person was a member of the Clare Project. I can mention it as it was in the early years of this century. If your point is that it must be very rare, I agree. Very.

Anecdotally, I know of a couple of f to m people who transitioned from a civil partnership, and the partnership did not survive. Well, it probably wouldn't, would it?

I know ( face to face) of several rather elderly ( 70 plus) m to fs who have stayed married to/ living with their wives, apparently on a " least worst " basis of making the best of it after 50 years together. In one case the TS woman is a full time carer for the spouse.

No-one is claiming that it is a good situation. In most cases it is a disaster.

OMFG that thread

BettyDuMonde

Whenever I hear anyone talk about women staying with their husbands post-transition as making the best of it I always wonder "the best for whom"? Certainly not for the wives, based on everything I've ever heard from their perspective.

I fell that like many other recent threads this thread ties back to the Beryl one.

The fact that Debbie hadn't thought of the effects on their poor wife and kids says it all. Male entitlement and selfishness.

Beryl has a lot to answer for.

She needs to ‘sling ‘er ‘ook’ as my Nan would say (Nan did not have a Beryl. I suspect she died in WW2. No need for a Beryl when you are in the WRAF and all the men are overseas).

I've never had a Beryl, which is why attempts to appeal to my "listen patiently to my tales of male woe, which are far more important than whatever a woman may be dealing with, and if you don't you're a big meanie" socialization don't work.

I think I have a half Beryl.

I can tell men to fuck right off no problem but I can’t quite ditch the dream of the perfectly clean and tidy home.

Actually, I think my Beryl is related specifically to being a mother, rather than generally being female.

Perhaps she’ll piss off when the littlest leaves home?

I better start practicing saying no to requests to look after any future grand babies now.

See, I look at the table that has a pile of random stuff on it and just think "meh, whatever". No domestic goddess aspirations at all. If DH feels like tidying he's welcome to, but he doesn't care either, so mess it is.

What I have is an inner Wednesday Addams.

SignMeUp

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I was similarly struck by the woman interviewed on the BBC as NotTerfNorCis commented on the TransWidows thread wrote:

Yes me too. I watched it on the back of that, thinking, it couldn't be so obvious that she was unhappy. But it was.

Not just unhappy, angry. It can't be good for her holding in that much anger, and having people "Well done" her for doing so it just making her angrier.

Ereshkigal Thanks so much. It's heartbreaking and I'm sharing it

On rewatching it I will say that my favorite moment of the documentary was when the fully masked protester who violently tried to force her way in got exasperated at the impertinence - or rather literal violence, I guess - of being addressed with the wrong pronouns.

Maybe Paglia has a point when she says this kind of stuff is what happens, when civilizations go to die. Surely, this level of stupidity must make survival hard, even under the best of circumstances.