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Tomorrows Mail on Sunday Front Page

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RedToothBrush · 17/11/2018 22:23

School with 17 children changing gender

Tomorrows Mail on Sunday Front Page
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Whatsnewpussyhat · 18/11/2018 02:05

it’s normal for young people to not feel 100% comfortable within their bodies

I agree, it's called puberty and growing up. What is not ok is telling vulnerable children that it is because they are trans.

Mental health issues within young trans individuals are at an all time high due to discrimination and non - acceptance from those around them

Children with mental issues are not getting the help they need because of the affirmation only approach being pushed by the trans lobby. Autistic children, girls who have been abused etc.

The fact that trans people have a high rate of mental health issues is not due to society and doesn't appear to stop after transition, suggesting that the underlying issues are never investigated fully or given the correct treatment.

It is not up to other people to constantly have to affirm your identity.

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womanformallyknownaswoman · 18/11/2018 02:42

Well done that teacher for speaking out and being concerned about the welfare of her pupils. So there we have it now in MSM - the wholesale undue influence of vulnerable minds plus the dismantling of safeguarding that prevents parents or anyone else being told what is happening. This is cult recruitment and coercive control 101. Love bomb, isolate and indoctrinate, in order to break someone's sense of self.

Unfreezing, Changing, and Refreezing - the process of breaking and taking control of someone's mind. Cult members are trained to be on the lookout for people who are vulnerable because they are easy targets.

Those who are conned or deceived into joining a cult will be put through an unfreezing process.

The basic idea is to distance people from their past, to make their past bad, or evil, or the source of all their problems. Repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, is very important in indoctrination. It's the same message over and over and over again. In some groups they may sound like different stories, different teachings, but it's always the same basic idea. The cult leaders are basically 'one trick ponies'.

Extreme peer pressure is applied. The old values, old ideas, old beliefs, are criticized and blamed for life's problems, but now new solutions are offered. The message is: Accept the group's ideas, take on the new beliefs and values and everything will be okay. It will all work out the way you want.

People who continue to question or doubt or criticize are dealt with severely. They may be thrown out of the group straight away. They may be isolated (and indoctrinated individually) so they have no impact on other new members, or they are made an example of, such that other members don't dare to speak out against the group.

I'll do a more detailed post if anyone is interested.

Also, what was the name of the training program that many of the woke grads in NFPs and govt. are put through?

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AspieAndProud · 18/11/2018 03:15

Mental health issues within young trans individuals are at an all time high due to discrimination and non - acceptance from those around them.

You don’t fucking get autism from bullying.

We beat the eugenicists in the Forties - even though they conquered most of Europe - and we’ll beat them this time too.

I don’t care how many Oswald Moseleys there are in Parliament.

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thewitchofwentworth · 18/11/2018 03:42

Assuming the school is of average size then that means about 2% of the children are identifying as transgender.

The currently increased estimate of the transgender population (from the USA) is 0.6% transgender, but that of course includes adults as well.

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AngryAttackKittens · 18/11/2018 05:01

Still shaking my head at Alex's implication that autism is the result of bullying. Is anything in TRA land not a reversal?

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Defranco · 18/11/2018 05:43

My own DD, who has ASD (as do I) says if she had heard about transgenderism when she was 13/14 she would have easily been sucked in.
I'm so glad I went to school many years ago! Also have asd, like what's traditionally seen as men's hobbies and wear all guys clothes, boxers, tshirts, jeans etc, as they're comfy, back then was just regarded as a Tom boy.
Now I know that gender is bullshit, clothes are clothes, hobbies are hobbies etc they don't belong to one sex, however back then I could imagine being persuaded I was the "wrong body" because of my likes etc

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NotTerfNorCis · 18/11/2018 06:28

Don't worry TRAs, mimmymum has waded in on your behalf. First stop: this blame ableism! twitter.com/mimmymum/status/1063995649212014592?s=19

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NotTerfNorCis · 18/11/2018 06:30

Mimmymum's wise words:

Let’s start off with the blatant ableism. Yes, it is acknowledged there’s is a correlation between autistic traits and trans identities, but that doesn’t mean that autistic people’s gender identity should be ignored?

Also - since when were teachers medically trained to diagnose?

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AngryAttackKittens · 18/11/2018 06:57

Wow, she's really getting desperate, isn't she?

Yes, it is acknowledged there’s is a correlation between autistic traits and trans identities, but that doesn’t mean that autistic people’s gender identity should be ignored?

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LadyRochfordsSpikedGusset · 18/11/2018 07:00

This is truly frightening.

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Sarahconnor1 · 18/11/2018 07:09

In 20 years we'll look back on the rush to change our children's sex as one of the darkest chapters in medicine, says psychotherapist BOB WITHERS

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6402003/Well-look-rush-change-childrens-sex-one-darkest-chapters-medicine.html

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BlytheSpiritsSpirit · 18/11/2018 07:17

Why is the Mail at the forefront of reporting these issues? I know the Times has done good work as well, but the editors of the Gaurdian should hang their heads in shame. They are complicit in the transing of children. A generation of young people being manipulated and hoodwinked into a life of permanent medical dependency and sterility.

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ReverseTheFerret · 18/11/2018 07:23

There's a huge segment of the Daily Mail online page devoted to various articles on this today - been bumped down slightly by the Brexit bickering unfortunately but they have definitely nailed colours firmly to the mast on this one.

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Needmoresleep · 18/11/2018 07:44

The basic idea is to distance people from their past, to make their past bad, or evil, or the source of all their problems. Repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, is very important in indoctrination. It's the same message over and over and over again. In some groups they may sound like different stories, different teachings, but it's always the same basic idea. The cult leaders are basically 'one trick ponies'.

Is this why deadnaming becomes such an issue...beyond why some might find it useful to hide things. And with the obvious parallel with religion.

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qumquat · 18/11/2018 07:47

I teach in a large girls' secondary school and we have only had one girl wishing to trans. I think the social contagion is such a massive issue. I also think (anecdotally as I dont know any research on this) it applies mainly to middle class white girls. My school population is mainly black African and minority white working class. The one girl who wanted to trans was autistic, likely lesbian and also one of our very few white middle class students. I think the class link is another thing it has in common with anorexia and bulimia.

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Rumbledore · 18/11/2018 07:51

Finally, it is mainstream news. I’ve been so angry about so many parents of Autistic children swallowing the mermaids line. When I’ve suggested TransgenderTrend they’ve denounced it as a lobby group.

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BlytheSpiritsSpirit · 18/11/2018 07:57

I also think (anecdotally as I dont know any research on this) it applies mainly to middle class white girls.

I would agree with you - in our working class secondary school, this isn't on the radar at all. Less than 5 miles away, in the private secondary school, there have been clusters of trans-identified girls for several years now.

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EverardDigby · 18/11/2018 08:03

So maybe instead of calling young people “attention seekers” “horrendous” or “dreadful” go and speak to them, visit your local lgbt+ centre

I am bi, I have an exGF who's trans, and a niece, and a family friend, and I have worked with LGBT organisations for a significant proportion of my life, and I used to present as a boy when I was younger, and I have a teenage daughter and get her experience of trans children in her school and social circle. Have I done enough to have a view?

And no one called young people dreadful.

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AndhowcouldIeverrefuse · 18/11/2018 08:03

This front page is not showing on the BBC website, on the "today's papers" page. It just wouldn't load for me - all the other front pages were loading fine.

I look at this webpage everyday and have never had a problem with particular pictures loading.

Odd...

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nellodee · 18/11/2018 08:07

I would love to see a geographical breakdown of children identifying as trans. I have worked in a very large northern secondary for over ten years and we have only had one trans student in all that time. If the occurrences are as clustered as my anecdotal evidence leads me to believe, then surely this would provide even more evidence of social contagion?

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Raglansleeve · 18/11/2018 08:09

Just mentioned on R4 8am coverage of front pages.

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NicoAndTheNiners · 18/11/2018 08:11

alex180

What if the mental health problems are causing the kids to think that they're trans rather than the fact they're trans is giving them mental health problems?

Because nobody seems to know.

My worry is that if it's the former we should be supporting them with any mental health issues, telling them it's ok to not fit into stereotypical gender norms, telling them that it's ok to be different, to not fit in, ........but that that doesn't necessarily mean that they're trans.

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Raglansleeve · 18/11/2018 08:11

It is on the bbc news website
www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-46250595
Hopefully this is a sign of the tide turning.

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R0wantrees · 18/11/2018 08:16

How a teacher is able to share this sort of information is a huge safe guarding issue. I’m sure the school will know if it is about them - and shall have serious consequences on the teacher involved.

The teacher is whistleblowing because of safeguarding concerns.

From Gov.UK:
You’re a whistleblower if you’re a worker and you report certain types of wrongdoing. This will usually be something you’ve seen at work - though not always.
The wrongdoing you disclose must be in the public interest. This means it must affect others, eg the general public.
As a whistleblower you’re protected by law - you shouldn’t be treated unfairly or lose your job because you ‘blow the whistle’.
www.gov.uk/whistleblowing

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Bowlofbabelfish · 18/11/2018 08:17

There are a few articles. And finally, they’re saying the important things:

Carol said: ‘In my view there is always a safeguarding issue – particularly when you know that child has underlying mental health problems. Surely every parent has a right to know. Advice to keep it a secret breaks the No 1 rule about child protection.

About time. Well done.

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