The ethos of trans activism (thoughts of a trans woman)

[OneTimeThing]

Full disclosure, I am a transgender woman. I am a parent. I have been involved in activism to varying levels (mostly on the periphery) and I have tried my best to follow the rules of this forum. I urge you to read this entire post, but will not be offended (or even know) if you don’t.

I am under no illusions, I know what what this board is about but I am not here to change minds. My aim is to effectively communicate the ethos and philosophy of the current trans rights movement as I understand it, and dispel myths. I am not at any point expecting people to agree with the ethos and aims (although I can’t lie, that would make me delighted beyond words) but I hope that at least some of you will have a better understanding of what drives the trans rights movement after reading this.

First, some caveats

1. I cannot represent the entire trans rights movement (hell, I am barely. involved, I have children and live in the middle of knowhere). We are so incredibly diverse that nobody ever could. This is not a message from the trans community or the trans rights movement (these are two distinct things, btw). This is my attempt to explain a common outlook amongst the trans activist community, as I understand it.
2. Once this is posted, I will not return to Mumsnet to answer questions or respond in any other ways. I know this will be read as me not being able to defend “my” positions or that I am here to lecture, condescend, demean or “transplain” to you...but this is not about me or my views. I want to get the facts - as I understand them - to you with as little of myself in this as possible. If I stayed and engaged with your points, eventually this would become about me, which is not the point. Also, I understand this is your space, and I do not want to overstay my welcome anymore than I already am by posting this.
3. I know some of you will never listen to anything I have to say. That is okay. I do not expect or feel entitled to anyone’s attention. If this dies with nobody reading it, fine, if hundreds of you read it, also fine. I will never know either way.
4. As I mentioned in (1), I cannot represent the entire trans community, nor can I answer for everything the trans community does. We are not a monolith. I am here to talk in broad strokes. Yes, some trans people are idiots. Yes, some trans people post awful things on social media. I hope you can take what I am saying in good faith and not use a 14 year old’s tumblr post about how the term “breast milk” is transphobic as an excuse to trash this entire post.
5. Please believe me. These are things that - I believe - very broadly unite most trans activists. They believe these things, and to a certain extent, I do too. These are not lies to justify some alterior motive. Please believe me.
6. I hope you can keep an open mind, even if you believe that the “other side” is incapable of keeping an open mind about your points. Please don’t use the flaws (perceived or real) of the “other side” as an excuse to sink to their level.

Okay, here is the main course:

1. Trans people believe that the end point of your beliefs is their annihilation

The view of trans people is that to be a friend to trans people, all a person would have to do is accept them for who and what they say they are (Trans men are men, trans women are women...etc). Trans people do not demonstrate against people who accept them. They demonstrate against people that do not. If Julie Bindel came out and said “trans men/women are men/women,” nobody would demonstrate against her on trans issues ever again. They would continue to demonstrate against others.

But if you look at it the other way round...for trans people to become friends with a gender critical person...that trans person would have to give up their sense of self (their gender identity) almost entirely, and they believe that this can and has lead to people dying. You may think this is a histrionic response, but if you look around the gender critical communities, there aims tend to include rolling back legal recognition of trans identities, making it harder to access healthcare and - in some circles- the withdrawal of trans healthcare in its entirety...

Trans people see those aims as attacks on their ability to exist. These are things that trans people believe they CANNOT live without. Whether you agree with it or not, that is how trans people see it. Many trans women would rather die than go back to living as a man. Same with trans men. To trans people, this is about their very existence.

A not insignificant number of trans people use this as a justification to use the tactics of Antifa against certain groups and public speakers. For those of you unfamiliar, Antifa’s aim is to stop the spread of an ideology that will lead to genocide. Hitler and Mussolini started their fascist movements with less than a hundred people each, so Antifa look to nip fascism in the bud before it can bloom because fascism ALWAYS ends in genocide if left unchecked. There is no other destination for fascism than violence, and so they attempt to no-platform Milo, they get Daily Stormer’s hosting suspended, they protest Katie Hopkins....

Many trans people do not see you as fascists. But they do see you are potentially just as dangerous. They are scared that if you were to ever achieve your aims, trans people’s lives would be in danger.

Do they think that this will lead to death camps co-ordinated by FairPlay for Women? No. It is like I said before: they fear the removal of their ability to be themselves, which is essentially, death.

As you will know, it was Janice Raymond’s recommendations to the Reagan administration that resulted in the total withdrawal of trans healthcare from Medicare and Medicaid in the 1980’s. I mention this because some of you will be thinking that this is a totally irrational response and no gender critical people want to eradicate trans people. But this move did hurt thousands of trans people in the United States and it has been read by the trans community as a violent attack on their existence.

This is why trans people protest the meetings. This is why they work to no-platform people. They see it as self defence in a fight that could end with their death.

I know many of you will be thinking that they see it the same way, that the trans movement’s logical end point is the end and total erasure of biological womanhood.

You believing that does not cancel out how the trans community views you. Whether you agree or disagree with this assessment, this is how they see it.

1. The deciding factor is not the fact that you are a woman or a lesbian: it is that you speak out against trans people.

As mentioned in my first point, trans people do not protest women who are campaigning for reproductive rights, or women who go to the shops or women who play football.

They speak out against people who speak out against them.

I see the argument thrown around a lot that trans people want to “silence women” and this is not what trans rights activists are aiming to do. Nobody tries to no-platform Julie Bindel because she is a working class lesbian. Working class lesbians campaign and speak out on a number of issues and trans people do not protest them. Julie Bindel’s sex, sexuality and class are not the reasons trans people show up to shut her down.

Her views on trans people are the reason. Her articles arguing that trans women are men and therefore are dangerous, are the triggers that cause a pushback.

So why are these women’s groups the focus of trans activists? Why not Christian groups? Or the far right? Because trans issues are not those group’s sole focus. These groups, when they do get airtime, and do hold meetings, are not solely discussing trans rights.

If Christian splinter groups were forming with names like “God Doesn’t Make Mistakes” or such like things, and were getting media buzz on anywhere the same level, trans activists would be there too. Trans activists were there to protest Milo, the cross over between Antifa and trans activists is not insignificant because fascism would not leave trans people alone. To claim that the trans community targets women because they are women is missing the point.

1. Trans activism is more than Antifa tactics.

Trans activists take many forms. Some make support groups, others lobby MPs, some write, some paint, some tweet, I met one trans person who advocated for trans rights through dance. Whilst fighting back against gender critical voices is absolutely one big aspect of trans activism, the scene is so much bigger and with so many aims. This is important to remember, if for no other reason than when you look to respond, that you do not oversimplify the community .

And that is that. I want to reiterate why I have told you all of this. I am not here to argue that you are wrong, or that trans women are women or whatever. I came here to explain the ideology behind the protests and fight back. I sincerely hope this informs how you understand the trans rights movement. You may see this as me justifying abhorrent behaviour. That was never my aim. My aim was to inform how trans activists think - good and bad - in VERY broad strokes.

Thank you for reading, thank you for keeping an open mind.

Behold, etc.
Just as an FYI, plopping gets really boring. If you don’t want to chat, don’t post on a chat site.
We have trans posters. They engage.
Writing an essay with the intention of educating the poor benighted folk and not having the basic level of respect to be interested in responses is really bad manners.

Well, I could explain how the "ideology" you describe is based on false assumptions and logically flawed, but you aren't interested in our responses.

Your words have not shed any revealing light on the subject.

BTW - have you never considered that the move to de-medicalise transgender diagnoses could be the first step for an austerity government to withdraw those expensive hormones and surgery from our desperately overstretched NHS? Because if it isn't a mental health condition and all you need to live fully and acquire all the legal right of a person of the opposite sex is to sign a declaration, then why should the state fund the treatment you are so keen to defend ? Be careful what you wish for. Self-ID may well make it harder for the people with genuine body or gender dysphoria.

Dammit someone got in with BEHOLD before me.

There is absolutely nothing new in this post. It is clear that (some) TRA think that scorched earth policy is the way to go as their own identity is so fragile they must have everyone repeat back to the them “their truth” parrot style of they will collapse psychologically.

The Reagan administration was well known for taking all its policy ideas from radical feminists.

Indeed. Which one of the rules of misogyny says that women are responsible for what men do?

I read to the point where you said you wouldn’t be back and I thought if this person doesn’t value my time why should I value their time so didn’t read.

Well, as you 'won't be back' to engage with anyone, I won't bother to read your transplaining.

I'm not even wasting by biscuit on you.

TL;DR

We will be nice to you if you will just ignore the evidence of your lying eyes and call males 'woman'.

Hmm. No thanks.

Noone is calling for the annihilation of trans people.
In fact GC feminists call for the ability of everyone to dress and be who they want (as long as it causes no harm to others)
Just don't expect us to lie, and don't expect us to welcome male bodied people into female safe spaces. Be your authentic trans self in the gents please, taking part in men's sports. And don't expect us to lie down and let our children be sterilised without a fight.
But adults - be as sparkly and feminine as you want.

It's the usual "annihilation of trans people"
"Speaking out against trans people"
These are lies.
GC feminists speak out against actions. They discuss TRAs actions.

The view of trans people is that to be a friend to trans people, all a person would have to do is accept them for who and what they say they are (Trans men are men, trans women are women...etc). Trans people do not demonstrate against people who accept them. They demonstrate against people that do not. If Julie Bindel came out and said “trans men/women are men/women,” nobody would demonstrate against her on trans issues ever again. They would continue to demonstrate against others.

Exactly.

And no.

Stop bullying women please.

As mentioned in my first point, trans people do not protest women who are campaigning for reproductive rights, or women who go to the shops or women who play football.

You appear to have been living under a rock.

Plus men identifying as women have no business protesting about women at all.

Stop it.

Leave women alone.

Well, at least they are honest:
Trans people believe that the end point of your beliefs is their annihilation

I mean, that's nuts isn't it?

I don't think for a minute 'trans people' believe that, but it gives you some insight into the mindset of the people who engaged in the kind of 'activism' that hits headlines.

the cross over between Antifa and trans activists is not insignificant

That explains a lot. Of course middle aged women discussing potential changes in the law is the same as the Nazis.

The deciding factor is not the fact that you are a woman or a lesbian: it is that you speak out against trans people.

I would buy this bit were it not for two things:

1. The attacks on women pre date feminist discussion of self ID hitting the headlines. The attempts to close discussion were the catalyst for people like me to change my mind.
2. It isn't just the Julie Bindels of the world who are attacked. It's all women who commit wrongspeak. Nobody could seriously think Alison Moyet is out to eliminate trans people. It may be subconscious but the attacks focus on women for other reasons.

What about other trans people who have spoken out and been silenced?
They clearly aren't wanting to eliminate trans people?

*If Julie Bindel came out and said “trans men/women are men/women”.

Perhaps if you could explain why she would agree that this is true?

I found this interesting. I didn't understand why transactivists (who need women born as women to not see them as a threat in order to accept them) would engage in threatening activities. It just looked like shooting themselves in the foot to me. Now I understand and appreciate the explanation. It's always good to view an issue from as many different sides as possible and then carefully, compassionately consider all the evidence before making one's mind up.

If Julie Bindel came out and said “trans men/women are men/women”.

In fairness, two of those combinations are exactly her view :-)