The ethos of trans activism (thoughts of a trans woman)

[OneTimeThing]

Full disclosure, I am a transgender woman. I am a parent. I have been involved in activism to varying levels (mostly on the periphery) and I have tried my best to follow the rules of this forum. I urge you to read this entire post, but will not be offended (or even know) if you don’t.

I am under no illusions, I know what what this board is about but I am not here to change minds. My aim is to effectively communicate the ethos and philosophy of the current trans rights movement as I understand it, and dispel myths. I am not at any point expecting people to agree with the ethos and aims (although I can’t lie, that would make me delighted beyond words) but I hope that at least some of you will have a better understanding of what drives the trans rights movement after reading this.

First, some caveats

1. I cannot represent the entire trans rights movement (hell, I am barely. involved, I have children and live in the middle of knowhere). We are so incredibly diverse that nobody ever could. This is not a message from the trans community or the trans rights movement (these are two distinct things, btw). This is my attempt to explain a common outlook amongst the trans activist community, as I understand it.
2. Once this is posted, I will not return to Mumsnet to answer questions or respond in any other ways. I know this will be read as me not being able to defend “my” positions or that I am here to lecture, condescend, demean or “transplain” to you...but this is not about me or my views. I want to get the facts - as I understand them - to you with as little of myself in this as possible. If I stayed and engaged with your points, eventually this would become about me, which is not the point. Also, I understand this is your space, and I do not want to overstay my welcome anymore than I already am by posting this.
3. I know some of you will never listen to anything I have to say. That is okay. I do not expect or feel entitled to anyone’s attention. If this dies with nobody reading it, fine, if hundreds of you read it, also fine. I will never know either way.
4. As I mentioned in (1), I cannot represent the entire trans community, nor can I answer for everything the trans community does. We are not a monolith. I am here to talk in broad strokes. Yes, some trans people are idiots. Yes, some trans people post awful things on social media. I hope you can take what I am saying in good faith and not use a 14 year old’s tumblr post about how the term “breast milk” is transphobic as an excuse to trash this entire post.
5. Please believe me. These are things that - I believe - very broadly unite most trans activists. They believe these things, and to a certain extent, I do too. These are not lies to justify some alterior motive. Please believe me.
6. I hope you can keep an open mind, even if you believe that the “other side” is incapable of keeping an open mind about your points. Please don’t use the flaws (perceived or real) of the “other side” as an excuse to sink to their level.

Okay, here is the main course:

1. Trans people believe that the end point of your beliefs is their annihilation

The view of trans people is that to be a friend to trans people, all a person would have to do is accept them for who and what they say they are (Trans men are men, trans women are women...etc). Trans people do not demonstrate against people who accept them. They demonstrate against people that do not. If Julie Bindel came out and said “trans men/women are men/women,” nobody would demonstrate against her on trans issues ever again. They would continue to demonstrate against others.

But if you look at it the other way round...for trans people to become friends with a gender critical person...that trans person would have to give up their sense of self (their gender identity) almost entirely, and they believe that this can and has lead to people dying. You may think this is a histrionic response, but if you look around the gender critical communities, there aims tend to include rolling back legal recognition of trans identities, making it harder to access healthcare and - in some circles- the withdrawal of trans healthcare in its entirety...

Trans people see those aims as attacks on their ability to exist. These are things that trans people believe they CANNOT live without. Whether you agree with it or not, that is how trans people see it. Many trans women would rather die than go back to living as a man. Same with trans men. To trans people, this is about their very existence.

A not insignificant number of trans people use this as a justification to use the tactics of Antifa against certain groups and public speakers. For those of you unfamiliar, Antifa’s aim is to stop the spread of an ideology that will lead to genocide. Hitler and Mussolini started their fascist movements with less than a hundred people each, so Antifa look to nip fascism in the bud before it can bloom because fascism ALWAYS ends in genocide if left unchecked. There is no other destination for fascism than violence, and so they attempt to no-platform Milo, they get Daily Stormer’s hosting suspended, they protest Katie Hopkins....

Many trans people do not see you as fascists. But they do see you are potentially just as dangerous. They are scared that if you were to ever achieve your aims, trans people’s lives would be in danger.

Do they think that this will lead to death camps co-ordinated by FairPlay for Women? No. It is like I said before: they fear the removal of their ability to be themselves, which is essentially, death.

As you will know, it was Janice Raymond’s recommendations to the Reagan administration that resulted in the total withdrawal of trans healthcare from Medicare and Medicaid in the 1980’s. I mention this because some of you will be thinking that this is a totally irrational response and no gender critical people want to eradicate trans people. But this move did hurt thousands of trans people in the United States and it has been read by the trans community as a violent attack on their existence.

This is why trans people protest the meetings. This is why they work to no-platform people. They see it as self defence in a fight that could end with their death.

I know many of you will be thinking that they see it the same way, that the trans movement’s logical end point is the end and total erasure of biological womanhood.

You believing that does not cancel out how the trans community views you. Whether you agree or disagree with this assessment, this is how they see it.

1. The deciding factor is not the fact that you are a woman or a lesbian: it is that you speak out against trans people.

As mentioned in my first point, trans people do not protest women who are campaigning for reproductive rights, or women who go to the shops or women who play football.

They speak out against people who speak out against them.

I see the argument thrown around a lot that trans people want to “silence women” and this is not what trans rights activists are aiming to do. Nobody tries to no-platform Julie Bindel because she is a working class lesbian. Working class lesbians campaign and speak out on a number of issues and trans people do not protest them. Julie Bindel’s sex, sexuality and class are not the reasons trans people show up to shut her down.

Her views on trans people are the reason. Her articles arguing that trans women are men and therefore are dangerous, are the triggers that cause a pushback.

So why are these women’s groups the focus of trans activists? Why not Christian groups? Or the far right? Because trans issues are not those group’s sole focus. These groups, when they do get airtime, and do hold meetings, are not solely discussing trans rights.

If Christian splinter groups were forming with names like “God Doesn’t Make Mistakes” or such like things, and were getting media buzz on anywhere the same level, trans activists would be there too. Trans activists were there to protest Milo, the cross over between Antifa and trans activists is not insignificant because fascism would not leave trans people alone. To claim that the trans community targets women because they are women is missing the point.

1. Trans activism is more than Antifa tactics.

Trans activists take many forms. Some make support groups, others lobby MPs, some write, some paint, some tweet, I met one trans person who advocated for trans rights through dance. Whilst fighting back against gender critical voices is absolutely one big aspect of trans activism, the scene is so much bigger and with so many aims. This is important to remember, if for no other reason than when you look to respond, that you do not oversimplify the community .

And that is that. I want to reiterate why I have told you all of this. I am not here to argue that you are wrong, or that trans women are women or whatever. I came here to explain the ideology behind the protests and fight back. I sincerely hope this informs how you understand the trans rights movement. You may see this as me justifying abhorrent behaviour. That was never my aim. My aim was to inform how trans activists think - good and bad - in VERY broad strokes.

Thank you for reading, thank you for keeping an open mind.

I don't know you OP but I can be 100% sure I have no wish to annihilate you or anyone else but the simple fact is if you are in possession of a penis there are certain places that I would like to go where you cannot.

I mainly dont care about what transwomen think.

I care about

1. Safeguarding the most vulnerable, including children, traumatised women, and Moslem women who might otherwise be forced out of safe areas.

1. The right to free speech.

I dont really care how transwomen live their lives as long as they dont impact on thevrights/freedoms of others.

I positively admire those, Debbie Hayton etc, who acknowledge my very reasonable concerns and are prepared to talk. (And I recognise that as we are coming from different places we may well disagree. Reasonableness and talking are the starting points.)

I dont get the me me meness of OP and the implications that I hate, or am committed to some sort of anti trans view. Not at all. Self ID opens the door to a minority of very dodgy people. It is in the interest of everyone who wants to protect the weakest in our society that we draft any new rules with their needs in mind.

The only attempt I have ever made at annihilating a transperson involved multiple tequila slammers.
We both felt pretty rough next day but recovered reasonably well after a full veggie breakfast.

You know, I could annihilate a pizza right now.

I'm always happy to annihilate anyone with tequila slammers!

I'm a lightweight so rarely annihilate anything. But I'll give it a go with a chocolate bar later.

i just annihilated about 15,000 calories worth of pick and mix

it's like i want to literally erase processed sugars existence

I annihilated a Terry's chocolate orange earlier. I did let DH have a few pieces...

I'd like to erase some of the fat from my hips.

Horrible Tranny

Honestly, I think you have just stated something that is not unique to trans individuals and, indeed, applies to many individuals with mental health or other medical conditions. This is the fundamental principle that life simply isn't fair. Put more crudely, life's a bitch.

The likelihood that one of my patients with Down Syndrome and an IQ of 85 will become a neurosurgeon is a stretch. My ten year old patient who lost a leg from osteosarcoma probably isn't going to be a competitive surfer. I wouldn't bet that my six year patient with crippling social anxiety and selective mutism will end up a famous politician.

I'm genuinely sorry that you suffer from a severe and probably, at times, frightening condition and truly mean it when I say that I wish you nothing but happiness and peace in life--including peace with yourself, in whatever form you are. I will admit to being frustrated with the incredible narcissism I see among so many in the trans community.

Bottom line: you are not alone in your struggles with security or acceptance of yourself and your challenges to overcome a difficult condition are also not isolated to just you. It's a big, big world out there and so many people fight battles that most of us will never even know are taking place. Learning to find internal validation and a sense of "visceral" acceptance is essential.

And I'm headed to go annihilate a nice smoky cabernet. Right now. It has been one of those days... (US time, so it's almost 5 pm.)

horrible tranny maybe you are a horrible tranny 🤷‍♀️ I don’t know, I don’t know you. I don’t really care either.

I know this much I’m not going to waste any of my time reassuring you or quantifying my position on the protection of women to you.
And I’m not giving you any sympathy either, I’ll save that for all my sisters stepped on and pushed around due to the misogynist ideology of trans activism.

I like the idea of someone annihilating my hips. Help help my thighs are being denied their existence.

Times article today:

'I am not a walking cervix or a menstruator. I am a W-O-M-A-N'
by Naomi Firsht

During the summer, Cancer Research launched a cervical cancer awareness campaign highlighting the need for women of a certain age to go for smear tests. Tweets promoting the campaign omitted the word “women” and instead encouraged “everyone aged 25-64 with a cervix” to go for a screening.

This follows last year’s advice from the British Medical Association, which encouraged staff to avoid calling pregnant women “expectant mothers” and to use the term “pregnant people” instead.

All of this tiptoeing around the “woman” and desire for inclusivity is done so as not to offend transgender people. As such, the term “womxn” is used because it supposedly includes trans-women in its definition; while any reference to the medical needs of women must be altered to ensure trans-men, who may have the same medical needs, do not feel offended.

Well I’m offended. In fact, I’m appalled. Have any of these organisations casually erasing women thought about how long it took women to fight for a voice in public life? Have any of them spared a moment to consider that women spent years demanding the right to be recognised as women, as a distinct group from, but of equal importance to men? Women fought to not be reduced to their biology. Yet in 2018 we must once again be reduced to menstruation, a cervix, a pregnant person.

And it isn’t happening to the men. No-one is replacing the word “men” with “mxn” in publicity campaigns, no medical organisations are raising awareness for “people with prostates”.

And so we find ourselves in a situation where a billboard bearing the Google definition of woman as “adult human female” in Liverpool is removed after a complaint that it “makes transgender people feel unsafe”.

Transgender people are, of course, entitled to live free from discrimination and with dignity, as we all must be. But somehow the rights and feelings of this group have been elevated above those of other people.

Today, workplaces are encouraged to use a transgender person’s preferred pronouns and be sensitive to how they want to be addressed. Yet, at the same time, use of the word “woman” in a publicity campaign is considered too controversial." (continues)

(concludes):
"Language is important. We use it to define ourselves and to express ourselves. To have to fight to use the word woman in 2018 is a worrying sign of a society that has lost its way. Women get periods. Women get pregnant. These should not be controversial statements.

When the quest for inclusivity means the erasure of half of the population, something has gone terribly, terribly wrong.

I am not a walking cervix. I’m a woman, W-O-M-A-N."

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i-am-not-a-walking-cervix-or-a-menstruator-i-am-a-woman

threads with sharetokens:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3410155-Naomi-Firsht-in-The-Times

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3410156-Im-not-a-walking-cervix

So you’re saying “If you criticise us we will come for you”.

So you’re saying “If you criticise us we will come for you”.

Clones. Because I am right.

I'm going to fight to make all children like me.

R0wantrees

That tweet ! Ugh.

Do they have any idea how that sounds????

Datun Seems this person has been involved with Mermaids & Press For Change in the past. I noticed 'PamCrossland' twitter comments on the recent Woman's Hour twitter thread following the discussion this week with Dr Carmicheal, Stephanie Davies-Arai and Lewis about the rising numbers of children referred to GIDS.
pamelaspalacereborn.blogspot.com/2018/01/terfs-transphobes-and-2018.html

The whole "get yourself a new glitter family and ditch your boring DPs" thing is an abusers dream. Not saying that Pam Crossland is an abuser but if she can't immediately see the potential dangers to children of recommending they interact with strange adults her judgement is clearly wildly askew.

I think like in other areas where people work with children and vulnerable adults, it is often adults (however well-meaning) who are driven by their own needs and lacking reflective awareness who fail to identify the risks to those who they support.
It is a very common issue.