TG day of remembrance

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When did 20 November become the transgender Day Of Remembrance?

Is there an International Women's Day of Remembrance? We bloody well need to get onto it given the numbers of us who are actually killed every single day. And given that the majority of women who are murdered are killed by men, that's anti-women (adult human female, to be clear - and that's not exclusionary, trans women don't want to be included anyway, they've made their own day they can't now complain about not being in ours).

And I do hope that they'll be remembering the trans people killed by other trans people. Because there are a fair few of them too.

I think it's fair enough to have a day to remember people who were murdered because of the way they presented themselves. I mean, we may have issues with how statistics in this area are misrepresented and politicised but surely we all agree that a murder is a tragedy.

I mean there are all kinds of days. Every day of the year is probably some kind of celebration/remembrance/awareness day for some issue or other. You don't have to join in with them all, just the ones that speak to an issue you care about or none at all if you so choose. A quick Google suggests there are a few national days to remember women who have been murdered or otherwise the victims of violence - varying from country to country. I certainly agree there should be such a day in the UK if there isn't already and would support a campaign for that.

In my opinion this is really something that doesn't affect women's rights or lives in the slightest. I can't get annoyed about it.

What I don’t get is how International Year of the Woman became ‘year of stamping on women because they’ve had it too good too long’

The TG Day of Remembrance has been going for a while, but becomes more and more prominent every year. I think last year a number of places had flags had half mast and some such, even though (and of course small numbers don't diminish personal tragedy) there had been no transgender murders in the UK for many years

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My problem with it is that it is part of the overall messaging that there are no other groups as oppressed, marginalised and victimised as the trans community, when that is patently untrue - particularly in the UK

"I think it's fair enough to have a day to remember people who were murdered because of the way they presented themselves. "

But there aren't any people murdered for the way they present themselves in the UK. I mean it literally doesn't happen. The fact that local governments are collaborating in this is a form of gaslighting.

It's nonsense.

Why does Southend need a Transgender Day of Remembrance? www.facebook.com/events/141746913027075/

They don't offer any day of remembrance for victims of domestic violence.

Jeanette Goodwin was murdered by a man she repeatedly reported to the police for harassment. www.heart.co.uk/essex/news/local/southend-police-criticised-over-murder/

Angela Millington was murdered and her skull was found bound in gaffer tape. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3598623/Murdered-homeless-woman-remains-washed-island-wearing-gaffer-tape-mask.html

Leanne Meecham was murdered by her stepfather (who was in a relationship with her after previously being with her mother) in Southend www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-28806754

There are plenty of women to remember as murder victims in Southend. But transgender? Not a single one.

Absolute nonsense. If the trans activists want to do it, fine, but no involvement of public money in this bullshit.

Why on earth would you have a problem with a day of remembrance for people being killed because of the way they present?
Is it like "we don't have one of those and we get killed too so you shouldn't have one of those days yet either?"
Just....wow.

But there aren't any people murdered for the way they present themselves in the UK. I mean it literally doesn't happen. The fact that local governments are collaborating in this is a form of gaslighting

People being attacked for being trans "literally doesn't happen?"
Since when? Of course it does.

People being attacked for being trans "literally doesn't happen?"
Since when? Of course it does.

Don't move the goalposts. The Trans Day of Remembrance is for victims of transphobic murder. Not for people who've 'been attacked'. Go look it up if you don't believe me.

Again, transphobic murder does not exist in the UK.

Why on earth would you have a problem with a day of remembrance for people being killed because of the way they present?

Because, at least in the UK, it doesn't happen. The vast majority of trans people who are killed are Brésilien and American sex workers, and the risk of violent death when doing street work is sky-high.
Does anyone know if there's been a comparison of the death rate between natal women and of transwomen working in the sex industry? (Ugh, that reads so very horribly. And I can't write very well tonight).

That doesn’t mean we want to take any opportunity to denigrate trans people or mock a day that people have chosen to remember others.

Haven't done either of those.

Not 'whipping up hatred', either, just pointing out that you are being lied to quite often.

I think that no transgender people were murdered in this country in 2017 which is great. lots of women were though.

I think it’s important for minority communities to remember lost ones and have no criticism for TDOR at all.

I am also in support of Trans visibility day.

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I simply will not accept that even those of us with a very hardline GC stance regarding legal definitions of male and female are actually transphobic or wish anything but happiness for trans individuals.

I don't object to anyone wanting to remember victims of murder and discrimination.

I do, however, wonder how the significant incidence of trans-women sex workers being murdered aligns to the popular TRA view that sex work should be legitimised. Surely the Nordic model would offer better protection for those trans-women and considerably reduce their risk of physical harm. Yet we are decried as SWERFs for offering up the view that prostitution is exploitative and dangerous.

I find, with increasing regularity, that many of the arguments offered by radical TRAs are incompatible with each other.

I would absolutely support any actions that draw similar attention to women lost to violence.

Jean Hatchet’s Rides for Murdered Women are incredibly inspirational. What could we do as a collective?

Totally agree Resistance - all this pro prostitution stuff is bad for women AND transpeople.

Some info on TDOR:
4thwavenow.com/2018/05/25/the-open-society-foundations-the-transgender-movement/

OSF gave $500,000 to Transgender Europe in the past two years. Transgender Europe also received $1,072,000 from the Arcus Foundation from 2010 to 2017 (Arcus Foundation 2018). The organization’s projects include the Transgender Day of Remembrance, which is underpinned by a comprehensive database of victims throughout the world, Trans Murder Monitoring. This database counted 325 trans victims of violence in year from October 2016 to September 2017 (TMM 2017). The great majority of these occurred in Central and South America. There were only three in Western Europe, and thankfully none in the United Kingdom. Surprisingly, perhaps, the Transgender Day of Remembrance was widely observed in Britain in November 2017. In many universities, for example, candles were lit for each of the victims, the transgender flag was raised, speakers were invited, and services held. Searching university websites (the domain .ac.uk), we find over 2,800 webpages containing the phrase “Transgender Day of Remembrance”.

While no transgender person was murdered in the United Kingdom in 2017, 138 women were killed by men, including murders where a man was the principal suspect (Smith 2018). These data were compiled by Karen Ingala Smith, who receives no funding for this work. She started recording such deaths in 2009, under the rubric of Counting Dead Women. This was developed into the Femicide Census—in partnership with Women’s Aid—with minimal funding and pro-bono support by two legal firms (Femicide Census 2016).

Despite the diligent research over many years, this has left barely a trace in British universities. The equivalent search on their websites yields fewer than a hundred webpages containing the phrases “Femicide Census” or “Counting Dead Women”.

I simply will not accept that even those of us with a very hardline GC stance regarding legal definitions of male and female are actually transphobic or wish anything but happiness for trans individuals.

Completely, 100%, agree with this. I am gender critical because I think gender is a load of made-up stereotypical bollocks that needs to be completely deconstructed. I also do not believe that humans can change their sex and that someone with a penis can be female. Those views do not equate to wishing any harm on trans-identified individuals. My objection is to women's rights being eroded and the very definition of the word being stripped away from us. If agreement was reached on that point and women's rights were protected and respected then I would quite happily campaign for separate and distinct protections for trans-people - as I have done in the past.

"That doesn’t mean we want to take any opportunity to denigrate trans people or mock a day that people have chosen to remember others."

Oh come off it.

When Aimee Challenor stands up: blog.aimeec.co.uk/2016/11/18/cu-tdor/ to talk about the murder of African-Americans as somehow relevant to Aimee's identity as a white British transwoman, that's gaslighting BS.

And doubly so when Aimee stood by & employed a child rapist. Aimee doesn't have to look too far from home to see the effects of male sexual power and abuse.

But instead Aimee constructs a false narrative based on a murder in Boston. I don't see that there's any difference between 'trans day of remembrance' in that respect and TRAs claiming that 50% of trans children will try to kill themselves. At least the latter has SOME kind of founding in reality.

White men appropriating the murders of black people and making out that there's an existential threat to trans people's existence is absolutely part of the lobbying process.

Sophie Lancaster was murdered for the way she presented herself.

Transgender Day of Remembrance would be a good day to celebrate the resilience of trans people who break expectations, particularly toxic expectations of men, every day.

To expand, we obviously want people to remember their dead loved ones, but when said people don't have dead loved ones, or any sort of connection/friendship/etc with them it's hard to see this as other than a political act, and hence subject to criticism.

Good point QuietContraryMary. If you don't have 'skin in the game' (so to speak) then it feels like appropriation and grief vampirism ("Oh gosh I'm so upset because X has died - my hairdresser's, cousin's, bus driver's nan. Everyone be nice to me!").

If being GC is all about protecting women’s rights, please tell me how a transgender day of rememberance erodes your rights?

If this is all in the name of women, how does it affect women? Or is it just another reason for you to have a bash at transgender people? God forbid they remember people who have been murdered, I mean who do they think they are

QuietContraryMary, I've cut and pasted those names into this thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/feminist_activism/1065291-Victims-of-Violence

There's never been a day of remembrance for all the women killed by men. Ever. The very idea would be viewed as anathema. As has so often been said, it's amazing how far transideology has spread so quickly - wouldn't happen if they were women, and we can prove it so easily!