TG day of remembrance

[WomanAndProud]

When did 20 November become the transgender Day Of Remembrance?

Is there an International Women's Day of Remembrance? We bloody well need to get onto it given the numbers of us who are actually killed every single day. And given that the majority of women who are murdered are killed by men, that's anti-women (adult human female, to be clear - and that's not exclusionary, trans women don't want to be included anyway, they've made their own day they can't now complain about not being in ours).

And I do hope that they'll be remembering the trans people killed by other trans people. Because there are a fair few of them too.

Bespin and Earlywalker, I’m with you. The views of many posters here are deplorable. It seems to be a small group though, that are vociferous and pop up time and time again to spread their vile beliefs

@Feminist4 me too, I'm with you and the others. I recognise your name from a thread I was reading earlier and was silently thinking as reading good on you as you had some good points and held your own in a sea of tirade against you.

The link to women's rights comes when the painting of trans people as victims, including misleading murder stats, is used as a tool to beat down discussion of women's rights. I'm glad to hear some of you are using the event sincerely in your own different ways. Disappointed you're still berating us with ways trans people are at risk instead of joining us in condemning the scaremongering which has negative impact on trans people's well-being as well as being used as a political weapon against women's rights. That feels like it ought to be common ground.

You are the scaremongers. Shame on you.

I am a parent if a trans daughter Pamayres and your post doesn’t ring true.

Let's just say that my interaction with the family was very difficult for me. At first, Mum was incensed about my alternative take on the risks. Puzzlingly, for me, she wasn't persuaded by facts that appeared to downplay her anxieties.

The transgender recruiting sites, that fill young people's heads with falsehoods, have a lot to answer for. The trans organisations that perpetuate the myths of murders, assaults and suicides, have a lot to answer for. I think parents need a lot more information that is accurate and up to date, to ease their own anxieties.

Sadly, you are wrong.

I think Munroe meant that the average age of a transwoman of colour is 35 (because of the high rates of transwomen murdered in South American countries) and presumably when they wrote that ridiculous tweet they were 31.

Even if Munroe was a Brazilian prostitute the fact that she’s lived to 31 already would mean she’d have to adjust her life expectancy accordingly. Her life wouldn’t become more dangerous as she approaches 35.

The higher mortality rate for younger prostitutes would skew the statistics. A high mortality rate for the young and a low rate for the over thirties could give a mean life expectancy of 35 but the likelihood of dying would diminish as she got older. It wouldn’t peak at 35.

Is she confusing the mean (what most people mean by average) with the mode (the most likely age at which to die)?

A mode of 35 seems rather high for such a dangerous profession.

You are the scaremongers. Shame on you.

You are an exaggerator, shame on you.

I don’t agree with a lot of Caroline Farows views but would never ever contemplate anything whatsoever the way TRAs are. I am actually worried for her & family. Fucking wrong to be sat at home with kids frightened. Who knows what capable of that’s the scary thing if they already stalking harassing, intimidating, doxxing, ringing her home, add blackmail also and yet doesn’t seem a matter of Police Urgency. 🤬

Wrong thread!

Cold heart? Oh look it appears I complete full circle

Back at zero fucks

Bit lost? Sorry, what?

Is she confusing the mean (what most people mean by average) with the mode (the most likely age at which to die)?

A mode of 35 seems rather high for such a dangerous profession.

Indeed! Women generally start off in prostitution there in their teens, so surely MTFs too?

I don't have an issue with a day of remembrance for Trans people. Grieving is hard. I hope their community can find comfort together and also some solutions to help prevent violence against them. I would wish the same for any group/community. I also imagine anyone using another's death for political gain would be viewed poorly by those grieving.

Just an aside, this maybe already mentioned, but I'm busy today so not going through 18 pages. In regards to Whiteribbon.org. Yes it is a men's organisation and it is copping a huge backlash here in Australia at the moment. Due to questionable comments made concerning women's reproductive rights. Of course they have now backtracked these comments but the public response is, Screw You, our donations are now going direct to refuges and frontline organisations.

Narcissistic projection spamming

"Many of them are revisionists and frequently refer to false data"

Oh really? Do you have any examples of this?

Yes - pointing to websites that look legit and scientific but just carry an anti trans agenda.

I was hoping when you said 'false data' you'd actually cite an example of data that are false, rather than just repeating your assertion.

I’d personally like the know where the data of ‘trans people are statistically the safest group in the uk’ Comes from?

The link to women's rights comes when the painting of trans people as victims, including misleading murder stats, is used as a tool to beat down discussion of women's rights

So exactly what I said uptheead and was told I was wrong? Trans rememberance day is an issue because people are only doing it to portray the community as victims so they can get in woman’s spaces.

It’s funny, they thought of the day 20 years ago and have done it every year since, purely so that they could use it in 2018 to shut down woman, those clever old trans folk, must be time travellers too!

No point to engage with f4 Mary
F4 just spinning around
Everywhere

As are you littlebrowndog.

From Trans Murder Monitoring carried out by Transgender Europe early. It was cited earlier in the thread.

And you know what makes me sick? Someone who says they're a mother who wishes they had given their child drugs that would have damaged their bone density, reduced their IQ and rendered them infertile. That really is sick

Transphobia is deplorable here

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This is a day of remembrance, so whatever your opinions on that, we do think it's important not to forget that somewhere there are grieving families in need of support. We think for that reason, it's particularly important to keep the debate civil. If the thread becomes uncivil we will have to remove the whole thing so please do think carefully when posting. Thank you.

I don't mind anyone having a day of remembrance to think about people who have suffered or died - even if it is just one person.

It would be fitting if women had a day of remembrance of their own (although a week, month... would be more fitting given the figures involved) to remember all the women who have died at the hands of men. It would also be fitting if we could have that and be assured it wouldn't be hijacked. We can only dream.

But Trans day of remembrance is fine by me - people are entitled to remember and reflect.

cross posted with Hebe there